Who's Still Wearing A Dem Diaper?

[Howland937]

I and my entire family wear them as required. Am I a true believer in the merits of it? Not really. Is it a hassle? Not really. If I gotta put a mask on to be able to go certain places and show my kid some semblance of a normal childhood, it's a small price to pay.

 

[wiscoaster]

Hello from THR.

I've begun my civil disobedience in support of my right to "peacefully protest" recently by refusing to wear a mask when in public locations where signs say it's required. I've noticed more and more people not wearing masks, and haven't yet been required by the location's owner to put one on or leave. I think this is an effective way of communicating my protest against what's going on in this country. And since I suspect I've already had the Chinese bug I should be immune and also I should not be endangering anybody else. And if I do start feeling poorly, I've laid in a good supply of ivermectin.

 

[Bikerdoc]

I wish Fauci would make up his mind!

 

[wiscoaster]

I wish Fauci would make up his mind!

I think he made up his mind long ago: after retiring from government service a nice highly-paid and cushy consulting gig in big pharma.

 

[roscoe]

I think he made up his mind long ago: after retiring from government service a nice highly-paid and cushy consulting gig in big pharma.

You got specific evidence, or is this just a random accusation? As far as I know, he is, and has been, an employee of the NIH since 1984.

BTW, I wear a mask, because it is the height of irresponsibility and selfishness not to.

And hello from THR!

 

[Kevinq6]

My wife and I have been working since this whole mess started like theres nothing going on.

She works in the medical field so she half-assed wears a dem diaper if there are patients around.

My job has posted signs but at least a 1/3 of employees don't adhere, myself included.

We don't wear commie diapers at all when we're out in public or various stores and have yet to be confronted even though we live in a commie state.

Anywho I'm just wondering how many other folks are still pandering to this BS, or are not.

I wear a mask, as the studies I have read about it seem to suggest it helps a tiny bit. Over 95% of anti-maskers have told me that I am brainwashed if I wear one, yet they misrepresent the official position of most doctors.

I have also seen a lot of people who have not read any peer-reviewed studies telling people they are sheep. I am usually told that I believe the mainstream media when I completely ignore any news articles on masks since I only read research scientists on the subject. I do fin dit interesting that those who know I am a sheep can't accurately explain the official position on masks, which can be learned with less than 20 minutes research using an internet connection.

I have protested corrupt police where the probability of false arrest was very high when I was very low on cash so I think that counts as more than telling the cashier or elderly greeter at the grocery store that I'm not going to wear my mask.

If anyone disagrees with masks and can link to a peer-reviewed analysis of all the available data on masks I am open to changing my mind, but I would expect the source to be exhaustive and not exclude any relevant data. For example, linking a single study or two that show masks to be innefective and not mentioning any studies that support wearing a mask is not helpful. I will not respond to any arguments without peer-reviewed sources and if you misrepresent the official stance on mask wearing I will not correct you.

An example of something that would be brave to me would be protesting corrupt cops in areas you know danger of a false arrest is high, or fighting in war, risking your life to save someone, open carrying on federal property or with marijuana, etc.

 

[wiscoaster]

Persons who've had the virus and recovered are immune and also not contagious. Therefore they are not at risk and they are not posing any risk to others. Wearing of a mask for their own benefit is unnecessary and wearing of a mask for others benefit is also unnecessary. Then explain to me why wearing of a mask for public health benefit is mandated and necessary. The reasons have nothing to do with public health, and everything to do with authoritarian and unconstitutional control of the populace by keeping them in fear for their lives. What kind of authority is that? It's tyranny, plain and simple. And that's why I protest.

I was the first person among my group to advocate wearing a mask back when this thing began, before we knew anything about it. Now we know what we're dealing with and what the risks to life actually are. What I'd like to know is why the truth is suppressed by those authorities, including Dr. Fauci. There are safe, inexpensive and effective therapeutics and prophylatics whose evidence and information are censored by Google. If people knew there was such a treatment if they got sick, they wouldn't be frightened or shamed into following a senseless and unjustified "public health" mandate. People shouldn't have to live this way.

Is living enslaved to fear preferable to dying anyway?

There's way more suffering, more hardship, more lives adversely affected, and yes, even more deaths due to these "public health" policies of lockdowns and masks. Perhaps they were a good idea for the initial months. But at this point?

We need to analyze this and think through it critically, not just accept what we're told by the authorities. They've been wrong so many times. Changed their minds so many times. We need to decide what's best for our own lives, taking into account our responsibilities toward and consideration for others as well.

And I've always lived that way and will continue to do so. But I will not bow to tyranny any longer.

 

[kidneyboy]

Politics + science = politics
I don't take medical advice from politicians.

 

[wiscoaster]

As far as I know, he is, and has been, an employee of the NIH since 1984.

He (Dr Fauci) is director of the NIAID (National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases), a part of the NIH. An agency responsible for 1) hosting Chinese virology research scientists at the Ft. Dedrick, MD U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (ie biowarfare research), and 2) providing grant money to the Wuhan, China Institute of Virology (ie biowarfare research), two instances of connected dots that seem outright stupid, if not actually criminal (which it may well be but impossible to prove, so not alleged here).

In any case, he's an administrator, not a practicing clinician, and as such, at the very least, he's out of touch.

 

[Howland937]

I don't think the government as a whole has gotten a lot right with this whole mess, but when have they really gotten much of anything right?
Wearing a mask while I'm out running errands is nowhere near the biggest of my worries and I don't understand why people make such a big deal of it. Government overreach? Yeah, probably. Any worse than requiring shoes and shirts? Nope. It's a temporary inconvenience and pales in comparison to the assaults on the 2A. Besides, name any other point in time when you could walk into a bank with a mask on, carrying a firearm and it's perfectly OK.

 

[wiscoaster]

...It's a temporary inconvenience and pales in comparison to the assaults on the 2A. ...

You're not going to think it's very temporary if Biden implements his threat for an Executive Order mandating masks nationwide for his first 100 days.

 

[The Last Outlaw]

Persons who've had the virus and recovered are immune and also not contagious.

Not arguing about anything else in this post, but this is false. Immunity is created when you recover, but it is finite. Many people have contracted the virus more than once.

 

[wiscoaster]

.... Many people have contracted the virus more than once.

This is still under debate. Lack of immunity to reinfection is part of the fear strategy. Does this make any sense wrt to a vaccine? There are multiple strains of the virus circulating. Of course you can catch it again. A different strain, most likely. Like the common cold, of which there are said to be over a hundred different strains. So catching a cold doesn't mean you won't catch another cold. But having covid-19 once does mean your T-cells recognize it and your immune system is already primed to fight another exposure.

This virus is going to with us permanently. We need to stop living in fear of it. We need to get back to normal life. Living the way we're living now is more harmful to people and to society. We live normal lives with the common cold and influenza without panic. We just know how to handle them relatively well. We need to live normal lives with covid-19 the same way without panic. The time to begin doing so is now. The time to give us the knowledge and the tools to do so is long overdue.

I was a child while polio was still endemic. It didn't adversely affect the normal lives of most people. We lived with it by taking reasonable and practical precautions. The little neighbor girl two houses down from us had polio. Us kids were restricted from going into her house, and that's about all the precaution I recall anybody ever did until the polio vaccine.

 

[The Last Outlaw]

This is still under debate. Lack of immunity to reinfection is part of the fear strategy. Does this make any sense wrt to a vaccine? There are multiple strains of the virus circulating. Of course you can catch it again. A different strain, most likely. Like the common cold, of which there are said to be over a hundred different strains. So catching a cold doesn't mean you won't catch another cold. But having covid-19 once does mean your T-cells recognize it and your immune system is already primed to fight another exposure.

This virus is going to with us permanently. We need to stop living in fear of it. We need to get back to normal life. Living the way we're living now is more harmful to people and to society. We live normal lives with the common cold and influenza without panic. We just know how to handle them relatively well. We need to live normal lives with covid-19 the same way without panic. The time to begin doing so is now. The time to give us the knowledge and the tools to do so is long overdue.

I was a child while polio was still endemic. It didn't adversely affect the normal lives of most people. We lived with it by taking reasonable and practical precautions. The little neighbor girl two houses down from us had polio. Us kids were restricted from going into her house, and that's about all the precaution I recall anybody ever did until the polio vaccine.

How can you say it is under debate and then say of course you can catch it again? I know a woman who has had covid three times. Therefore, immunity is finite.

 

[doubleh]

I live very close to the Texas border. Here we are required to wear a mask when we step outside our home. Businesses have been totally shut down, allowed to reopen on a limited basis, shut down again, and now reopened on a limited basis. School is online, no sports. Just across the state line Texas kids are going to school and playing sports. Businesses are open without any restriction I know of except for masks inside. Funny thing is our infection rate is listed as high or higher than the adjoining Texas area. Population density is about the same.

Our tyrant litlle troll of a governor and her sock puppets say we are regulated based on science however when any inquiry is made for this science all that flows from Santa Fe is BS and no science.

Funny thing is flu has completely disappeared. I guess the c-bugs ate the flu bugs.

Getting back to the OP, there are no democrats in my immediate family. Even the great grandkids that aren't old enough to vote have no use for them.

 

[Howland937]

You're not going to think it's very temporary if Biden implements his threat for an Executive Order mandating masks nationwide for his first 100 days.

Temporary in the grand scheme of things. I've been wearing my mask as required in Ohio for several months now. 100 days is no sweat. It may even still be cold enough to be a benefit. If it's the entire year of 2021, it's still temporary. Now, if they pass legislation that says I gotta wear a mask forevermore, it wouldn't be temporary.

 

[wiscoaster]

How can you say it is under debate and then say of course you can catch it again? I know a woman who has had covid three times. Therefore, immunity is finite.

You're missing the part about multiple strains. The virus is constantly mutating. You're immune to only the strain that you were infected with. That's the nature of a coronavirus. Some coronavirus strains cause the common cold. Like I said, the covid-19 disease caused by this particular coronavirus is going to be with us permanently, mutating all the time to preserve its existence. We're going to be permanently "at risk" of catching some strain of covid-19. In due time it will become about as common and normal as the common cold and the flu. Get used to it and learn to live with. Take the same precautions you feel necessary to avoid infection by any other communicable virus. But let these precautions be your own personal responsibility, not a public health mandate that's proclaimed in terms of an "existential threat to the existence of humanity" because it's not. The woman who had it three times, she's still living, is she not?

Rather than debating about the efficacy of masks better we ask ourselves WHY is the case fatality rate in India, to name one example of a country with a dense (and poor) population, one-tenth the rate it is in the US? We're not doing what we could be doing to enable us to live normal lives with this virus.

 

[wiscoaster]

Guess what ... now Gov. Cuomo is backtracking and saying NY has got to open up.

I guess they're finally realizing the impact on their state tax receipts.

 

[WrongHanded]

I live very close to the Texas border. Here we are required to wear a mask when we step outside our home. Businesses have been totally shut down, allowed to reopen on a limited basis, shut down again, and now reopened on a limited basis. School is online, no sports. Just across the state line Texas kids are going to school and playing sports. Businesses are open without any restriction I know of except for masks inside. Funny thing is our infection rate is listed as high or higher than the adjoining Texas area. Population density is about the same.

Do you happen to know what percentage of people in your state are ignoring the mandates and gathering together in private? Maybe at Christmas or New Year's, or even back during Thanksgiving? Do you know what percentage travelled to see family and spent hours sucking in each other's exhaled breath in a confined environment? Do you know how many of them had the virus but were unaware they were contagious?

It's hard to say mask wearing and social distancing don't work when the rate of non-compliance is unknown.

 

[wiscoaster]

Do you happen to know what percentage of people in your state are ignoring the mandates and gathering together in private? Maybe at Christmas or New Year's, or even back during Thanksgiving? Do you know what percentage travelled to see family and spent hours sucking in each other's exhaled breath in a confined environment? Do you know how many of them had the virus but were unaware they were contagious?

It's hard to say mask wearing and social distancing don't work when the rate of non-compliance is unknown.

Great point. Ignorance is the main input to support fear.

Maybe experience banishes the ignorance, which leads to no more fear. I'm thinking that when people experience being in the presence of other people and they realize they didn't get sick ... or even if they got sick and survived ... then they'll no longer be ignorant and they'll no longer be living in fear.

A couple days ago I went, maskless, into a local pizza shop to pick up a bake-at-home pizza. I think the nice, friendly lady behind the counter who assembled my order could tell I was in the dumps, and she said something nice to me, which caused my face to light up with a huge smile. I really think she was so happy to actually see someone's big smile that she almost cried. And yes, I said something nice back, and yes, I left the shop no longer in the dumps.