I refuse to wear a mask

Selena

Member
As you might expect, it is all about money. African-Americans are, on average, earning less than White Americans, and so will get vaccinations less frequently. The more money you have, the more access to health care you can afford.
When you consider this so-called vaccine makes no claims to immunity, denies all responsibility for possible side effects and even soft pedals it's effectiveness one has to wonder if not being able to afford the vac is a negative.
 

roscoe

Active member
When you consider this so-called vaccine makes no claims to immunity, denies all responsibility for possible side effects and even soft pedals it's effectiveness one has to wonder if not being able to afford the vac is a negative

Yes, by all means, let's ignore the science. In fact, why vaccinate anybody for anything? Or use antibiotics? Or refrigerate food?
 

sparkyv

Member
I have seen a lot of data from the CDC, Johns Hopkins, the WHO, etc. Can you give me a credible link that tells me they are wrong or lying?
It's pretty simple, really. The size of the coronavirus is about 125nm dia. An N95 mask is designed to filter out 95% of 300nm sized particles. This means that the pores in an N95 mask are twice as large as the virus. Surgical masks, dust masks, gaiters, bandanas, and etc. have a significantly poorer filtration capacity than an N95. This means that their pore sizes are even larger than those of an N95 mask. Masks cannot protect one from such a tiny virus. And to say that doubling up on masks is more effective is absolute lunacy.

You can't get around physics.

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Here's a high-level link or two you can use to start your own search and understanding.

Here's the paper with the microscopy:
 
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roscoe

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It's pretty simple, really. The size of the coronavirus is about 125nm dia. An N95 mask is designed to filter out 95% of 300nm sized particles. This means that the pores in an N95 mask are twice as large as the virus. Surgical masks, dust masks, gaiters, bandanas, and etc. have a significantly poorer filtration capacity than an N95. This means that their pore sizes are even larger than those of an N95 mask. Masks cannot protect one from such a tiny virus. And to say that doubling up on masks is more effective is absolute lunacy.

You can't get around physics.

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Here's a high-level link or two you can use to start your own search and understanding.

Here's the paper with the microscopy:

How many times does this has to be said? A mask is not there to stop someone from breathing in airborne virus cells. It is to stop the aerosolized droplets we all expel when we breathe. Those droplets have millions of the virus cells, they travel further than virus cells, and the virus lasts much longer in droplets than just floating alone.



This is the important quote (from second link above): "Masks are primarily intended to reduce the emission of virus-laden droplets"

I know people want to look at something simple like virus size, but generally things are a bit more complicated than it seems at first glance. There are some things you can't do at home, folks - microbiology is one of them. That is why we turn to qualified experts.
 

Howland937

Active member
This is the important quote (from second link above): "Masks are primarily intended to reduce the emission of virus-laden droplets
Oh, you mean the masks stop the droplets of moisture from exhalation? Because those droplets containing virus are bigger than the individual virus cells?
Who knew?
 

theotherwaldo

Well-known member
I am a polite person.
I hold the door open for ladies, the elderly and the handicapped, call folks 'sir' or 'ma'am' if that is their preference and wear a mask when in public.
It doesn't matter if I believe that the mask works if the other folks do... .
 

Howland937

Active member
I am a polite person.
I hold the door open for ladies, the elderly and the handicapped, call folks 'sir' or 'ma'am' if that is their preference and wear a mask when in public.
It doesn't matter if I believe that the mask works if the other folks do... .
Exact same thing here, except the sir/ma'am part is reserved for only instances where I'm 100% sure.
In some cases I've resorted to just quickly saying "thanks MEH"....and trailing off with neither an m or n at the end.
 

Selena

Member
Yes, by all means, let's ignore the science. In fact, why vaccinate anybody for anything? Or use antibiotics? Or refrigerate food?
That straw man is already dead, bless your heart. Vaccinate for Rubella, there will be a notice of effectiveness. Same with Whooping Cough and a host of others. The Covid vac makes no such promises either implicit or implied. This tells me there has been very little testing done. You know, all that scientific stuff hasn't been done yet and there is just the label.
 

roscoe

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That straw man is already dead, bless your heart. Vaccinate for Rubella, there will be a notice of effectiveness. Same with Whooping Cough and a host of others. The Covid vac makes no such promises either implicit or implied. This tells me there has been very little testing done. You know, all that scientific stuff hasn't been done yet and there is just the label.

Incorrect. If you are saying that there has been less testing than for other vaccines, well - no duh . This has been done under the gun, in the quickest vaccine production on such a scale ever. It is a miracle of modern science that so many vaccines are out there, as well as testing, and palliative cure. Millions of lives will be saved by the vaccines.

A general skepticism about (apparently) microbial theory has give the USA the worst rate of COVID infection and death of any 1st world country. If we had followed the protocols of, say, Australia, or Canada or Finland, or Belgium, or Argentina, or Greece, etc., etc., we would have another 200,000 Americans still alive. But no, we have a bunch of flat earthers worried big .gov is going to take away your freedom to breathe on strangers. The Illuminati and Deep State want you to wear a mask to repress you, just before they take away your guns, Bibles, and F-150s.

So, be proud of your ignorance, and your resistance to science, and the damage they have caused.
 
I am a polite person.
I hold the door open for ladies, the elderly and the handicapped, call folks 'sir' or 'ma'am' if that is their preference and wear a mask when in public.
It doesn't matter if I believe that the mask works if the other folks do... .
Commendable behavior and attitude for sure.

I strive to be polite and respectful of others.
I draw the line at modifying my behavior to pacify anyone's irrational fears.
 

Selena

Member
Incorrect. If you are saying that there has been less testing than for other vaccines, well - no duh . This has been done under the gun, in the quickest vaccine production on such a scale ever. It is a miracle of modern science that so many vaccines are out there, as well as testing, and palliative cure. Millions of lives will be saved by the vaccines.

A general skepticism about (apparently) microbial theory has give the USA the worst rate of COVID infection and death of any 1st world country. If we had followed the protocols of, say, Australia, or Canada or Finland, or Belgium, or Argentina, or Greece, etc., etc., we would have another 200,000 Americans still alive. But no, we have a bunch of flat earthers worried big .gov is going to take away your freedom to breathe on strangers. The Illuminati and Deep State want you to wear a mask to repress you, just before they take away your guns, Bibles, and F-150s.

So, be proud of your ignorance, and your resistance to science, and the damage they have caused.

My "resistance" to science comes from my knowledge of the function of science. Scientists created a model with collected data and a hypothesis that predicted future events. The "hockey stick" is a prime example... Another example is the model showing the midwest would be subject to a severe drought starting in the 2000s... 20 years later we were forced to invest thousands of dollars in drain tile to relieve the flooding we've experienced the last five years. Scientific method says the hypothesis is flawed and needs to be discarded. Yet here you are still predicting and calling it science.
 

roscoe

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My "resistance" to science comes from my knowledge of the function of science. Scientists created a model with collected data and a hypothesis that predicted future events. The "hockey stick" is a prime example... Another example is the model showing the midwest would be subject to a severe drought starting in the 2000s... 20 years later we were forced to invest thousands of dollars in drain tile to relieve the flooding we've experienced the last five years. Scientific method says the hypothesis is flawed and needs to be discarded. Yet here you are still predicting and calling it science.
With all due respect, I don't think that you do know the function of science. Nor its purpose. Your personal experience with meteorological imprecision is what we call, in science, an anecdote. Anecdotes are generally not useful in science, which relies on large patterns. I am not a meteorological scientist, nor a farmer, but it looks like there have been several severe droughts in the Midwest throughout the 2000s. Here is one:
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And what is your complaint about the hockey stick - that it is not real? Sorry, it is real:
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A rejection of science is a rejection of reality. Science provides the most objective and replicable information about the Earth and Universe. The fact that one prediction (according to you) was incorrect and a reason to reject science is like saying you will never go to another doctor because one foot surgeon operated badly on your toe.
 
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George P

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YOUR science has been bought and paid for - just like statistics; so you preach lies and bullshit; anyone stupid enough to believe that man made thw climate issue and that by taxing the cleanest countries while allowing the polluters like China and India to go ahead and that will solve things is a real fucking idiot
 
YOUR science has been bought and paid for - just like statistics; so you preach lies and bullshit; anyone stupid enough to believe that man made thw climate issue and that by taxing the cleanest countries while allowing the polluters like China and India to go ahead and that will solve things is a real fucking idiot
Correct but the term "useful idiot" is a more accurate description IMO.
 

roscoe

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YOUR science has been bought and paid for - just like statistics; so you preach lies and bullshit; anyone stupid enough to believe that man made thw climate issue and that by taxing the cleanest countries while allowing the polluters like China and India to go ahead and that will solve things is a real fucking idiot

You need to learn to communicate like a grown-up. Cursing is for 6 year-olds who just learned their big-boy words.

I am sure you use X-rays and antibiotics, and fly on airplanes, and appreciate it when criminals are caught using DNA evidence, and you like the internet. All of those things were made possible by scientists. Yet, when the science is inconvenient for you, you dismiss it. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You want to ignore science, go ahead, live on a flat earth, but the rest of us are going to keep going back to the most reliable source of knowledge about the material world.

You want bought-and-paid-for opinions, you can turn to the right wingers shilling for big oil. Wow - no conflict of interest there!
 

roscoe

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Correct but the term "useful idiot" is a more accurate description IMO.

I hate to be rude, but from your posts, I can tell that you simply haven't the mathematical or scientific training to be qualified to give an informed opinion. You just don't like the implications of the scientific opinion, so you just put your thumb on your nose and call people 'idiots'. Go out, get some real training, then come back and tell us why the scientists are wrong. Use the correct long-term meteorological data and appropriate statistics. Then your opinion will have meaning.
 
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