So just to be clear - @roscoe is incoherent.
-And that liberal mantra, "My body, my choice" is brutally ironic when the Left is trying to create Corona Concentration Camps and Corona Transit Papers... .
So just to be clear - @roscoe is incoherent.
-And that liberal mantra, "My body, my choice" is brutally ironic when the Left is trying to create Corona Concentration Camps and Corona Transit Papers... .
Join the list of people who've blocked roscoe. Don't feed the troll.
This is actually true. Though the required smallpox innoculations applied only to his enlisted soldiers and his officers and not to the general population. When you become a soldier you obligate yourself to follow orders. One of those orders might be to get innoculated against an illness that could render the affected soldier unable to fight. I don't think the example provided by @roscoe is applicable to today's Covid-19 vaccine mandates for the general population, and I don't think it should be used as an example or a precedent to justify them. It's an entirely different situation.Talk about incoherent - "Corona Concentration Camps"?
People need to remember that vaccination mandates have been with us a long time, starting with George Washington.
I don't block anyone. I consider it a chickenshit way to deal with those you don't often agree with.I don't block @roscoe because sometimes he needs to get called to account when he misleadingly provides a scrap of true information in an inappropriate or immaterial application in order to justify his untenable narratives. Otherwise some new member might read one of his posts and think he makes perfect sense. He's very clever with how he uses and manipulates his language to make his nonsense sound reasonable and sensible.
I only blocked a couple of spam bots after they cashed my gift cards. Never did get those pictures they promisedI don't block anyone. I consider it a chickenshit way to deal with those you don't often agree with.
Fa-nat-ic ......... Fanatic....one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.Blocking my unpopular opinions is an act of cowardice on a site like this, where the point is to debate. Go somewhere else for an echo chamber if you can't handle open debate.
You know, your whole post makes no sense. Saying that one thing is dangerous, therefore we shouldn't ban another dangerous thing is just poor logic. Any high schooler sees the fallacy in that. It like saying smoking is dangerous therefore we shouldn't put seatbelts in cars.Fa-nat-ic ......... Fanatic....one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Roscoe, I blocked you once and you talked me out of that with that same BS sort of reply. I'm not afraid of your simplistic politicized drivel, I'm simply bored with giving you a soapbox to stand on and spout it. If you were doing anything but fanning the flames it would be different. How strongly are you going to stand behind the government when they outlaw salt, and meat, and fried foods? It's been proven that a whole food plant based diet does more to cure heart disease than all the drugs combined. What about cancer and known carcinogens? The 2 leading causes of death in America, diseases that have killed more people in the last 5 years than covid ever will. Don't feed me that line of sh!t that you're concerned with preservation of life. Why aren't you down on alcohol and all the wasted lives from drunk driving.
I know, go ahead and spout your self serving notions, but realize that most of us here realize what you you are doing. Deep down you must be a frightened little boy, and for that, you have my sympathy.
No, your assertion that it's poor logic makes no sense because you're totally ignoring the impacts of the probability of harm and the rate of harm done to innocents not involved in the decision to take the known risks. Taking the probabilities and rates into account makes the extreme reaction to the one risk totally out of line when put next to the reactions to the other risks mentioned, and so your dismissing of that observation is what really makes no sense.You know, your whole post makes no sense. Saying that one thing is dangerous, therefore we shouldn't ban another dangerous thing is just poor logic. Any high schooler sees the fallacy in that. It like saying smoking is dangerous therefore we shouldn't put seatbelts in cars.
No, your assertion that it's poor logic makes no sense because you're totally ignoring the impacts of the probability of harm and the rate of harm done to innocents not involved in the decision to take the known risks. Taking the probabilities and rates into account makes the extreme reaction to the one risk totally out of line when put next to the reactions to the other risks mentioned, and so your dismissing of that observation is what really makes no sense.
The annual death rate per one million population in the US for vehicle accidents is about 1.4 (2020 data, source: NHTSA). The annual death rate per one million population in the US for Covid-19 is about 0.002 (source: my own math). So the risk of death from driving is in excess of 700 times more risky than the risk of death from Covid. That's real life and real data. Yet are we so much in fear of driving that we risk damaging our society, our culture, our economy, our national security, our very future? No. We accept it without a second thought. But that has been the reaction to Covid. Driven largely by entities seeking to gain something from the situation and propagated by their allies to put us in fear of a risk we need not fear. Skidmarx's reaction to your comments in light of the actual situation make complete sense to me.
Right. .002 > 1,651/million, because you took the whole time period, not just a year's worth, (which would make the data comparable to the road death data). But any way you slice it, COVID is more than 10x as deadly as road deaths, for the country. So, when we look at risk, it counts as a big one. However, now that we are mostly vaccinated in the US, the numbers are dropping off.700,000 / 350,000,000 = 0.002 so, no, my math for Covid fatality rate is correct. That's the per person rate. If anything, it's too high because I just took the entire death toll divided by the entire population and didn't annualize it. The probability of dying from Covid within the span of one year is less than the rate I computed.
I'll grant you the correction on the NHTSA data; I misread their rate as fatalities per million instead of fatalities per hundred million. So I was off by a factor of 100, and you can color me "oops" with respect to my math and my driving comparison. "700 times" did look a bit outrageous and I should have know better to check my own math. But on only one cup of coffee when posted..... It's good to know somebody's checking. Hah! Even you, Roscoe.
.... still ....
If faced with a probability of 0.002 of dying from Covid I'm damm well going to ignore it. So go ahead and throw out my entire second paragraph in my post above and I'm still going to come to the same conclusion and go about my life the same way I normally would, as much as possible as I can given the other idiots panicking over 0.002, I'm not panicking.
No, the numbers aren't dropping off due to vaccinations. It's dropping because that's the normal and natural course of events for a viral pandemic.... However, now that we are mostly vaccinated in the US, the numbers are dropping off.
What we need to do is stay calm, anticipate that third parties will register and post seditious material to justify shutting this site down, and REPORT THEM IMMEDIATELY.
Again, I know it feels like the Republic is lost. It may be. But for now, on this site, please for the love of God stay calm, speak rationally, and hope for .... better judgement from our leaders in the future.
The coming days and weeks (likely after the 20th) will be easier, but for now we need to be on the best possible behavior. Please. :)