Alec Killed a Guy

roscoe

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Yes, that's true, and the anti-gunners take full opportunity if not, perhaps, to revel in someone else's misery, to rather to make full use of it to promote their own ends. No one here is revelling in anyone's misery, but if we're using it to promote our own ends then we're just finally learning to use the same tactics they've been using all along, but with one major difference: out ends to be exposing and promoting truth instead of lies. It's your posts that are mostly nonsense.
In this case, they are not. You are.
 

roscoe

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Yes, that's true, and the anti-gunners take full opportunity if not, perhaps, to revel in someone else's misery, to rather to make full use of it to promote their own ends. No one here is revelling in anyone's misery, but if we're using it to promote our own ends then we're just finally learning to use the same tactics they've been using all along, but with one major difference: out ends to be exposing and promoting truth instead of lies. It's your posts that are mostly nonsense. And if I were to use the same approach that you normally use I would demand that you provide the data to support your assertion that my posts are nonsense.
That's pretty funny, since I am the only one here who uses data.

But your post was not about information - it was about your opinion. So no data need apply. Your claims about who is responsible are uninformed. You don't know who has legal responsibility for the firearms on the set, and you don't know the extent of the legal responsibility for a production company, since so may legal entities are involved. You are just winging it.

You just want to find some way to pin this on Baldwin to make yourself feel better about disliking him. That's all. And since someone died, it is grotesque.
 
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str8_forward

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The 4 universal rules of gun safety are:

  1. Treat all guns as if they are always loaded.
  2. Never let the muzzle point at anything that you are not willing to destroy.
  3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot.
  4. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
And it is ALWAYS the responsibility of the guy/gal handling the weapon!

Still waiting for comments from gun haters in Congress, lead by the f[email protected] asshole biden.
Was it an ""assault gun"" with a high capacity mag?
Did ""it"" sneak out of a safe and loaded itself?
Then drove to the movie set and turned into a hooligan?

Not really, the anti-gun POS balwin (who made million's of dollars using guns in his movies) neglected the 4 basic rules and killed an innocent women, leaving a husband and two children without wife/mother.

Pretty sure he gets the hunter biden treatment because he is a liberal, and as we have seen over and over, the laws for the left are different.
Still have hope an honest judge will sent him to prison, but most likely he will pay a few millions to the grieving family and get away with murder.
 

roscoe

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The 4 universal rules of gun safety are:

  1. Treat all guns as if they are always loaded.
  2. Never let the muzzle point at anything that you are not willing to destroy.
  3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot.
  4. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
And it is ALWAYS the responsibility of the guy/gal handling the weapon!

Still waiting for comments from gun haters in Congress, lead by the [email protected] asshole biden.
Was it an ""assault gun"" with a high capacity mag?
Did ""it"" sneak out of a safe and loaded itself?
Then drove to the movie set and turned into a hooligan?

Not really, the anti-gun POS balwin (who made million's of dollars using guns in his movies) neglected the 4 basic rules and killed an innocent women, leaving a husband and two children without wife/mother.

Pretty sure he gets the hunter biden treatment because he is a liberal, and as we have seen over and over, the laws for the left are different.
Still have hope an honest judge will sent him to prison, but most likely he will pay a few millions to the grieving family and get away with murder.

All wrong. And all stupid. Par, I would say.

Except for the 4 rules we all already know by heart.
 
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Fine Figure of a Man

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No, I have no fondness for him.
Why did you bother posting a photo of Baldwin displaying his state of 'distraughtitude' as if he were the victim in this incident?
The rest of your post is just a bunch of nonsense. His production company may be financially liable, but that is a big 'so what'.
Probably not a big 'so what' to the family of Halyna Hutchins.

You have no idea whether actors are expected to clear their own guns on the set. Or to what degree actors are even allowed to have control over the firearms on set.
No. He is not the one responsible for the firearms on a set, and it is nothing like you negligently killing someone with one of your firearms.
Still curious about this. Are all actors exempt from the rules of gun safety and liability for shooting folks due to negligence or is it just Hollywood royalty that gets a pass?

Now there are reports of two previous ND"s on the set.
 

roscoe

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Why did you bother posting a photo of Baldwin displaying his state of 'distraughtitude' as if he were the victim in this incident?

Probably not a big 'so what' to the family of Halyna Hutchins.



Still curious about this. Are all actors exempt from the rules of gun safety and liability for shooting folks due to negligence or is it just Hollywood royalty that gets a pass?

Now there are reports of two previous ND"s on the set.

To be clear - since the actors are generally not permitted to do anything with the firearms other than pick them up for the scene, he is a victim. Not the greatest victim, but a victim to be sure. If you are put in a position where you accidentally kill someone through the negligence of a third party, you most definitely are a victim, under any conceivable moral calculus. I knew an artillery officer who served in Vietnam. He was given the wrong coordinates for a volley and he never recovered from the friendly fire incident. It haunted him the rest of his life.

The money is clearly not the issue, so your out-of-context critique is an entirely separate issue. Start a new thread if you want to talk about financial liability in cases of accidents. Sounds fun.

And yes, actors are not held to be responsible for the firearms, or incidents with them. Famous or not. I reiterate in case you can't understand - gun safety is the responsibility of a licensed armorer, who is directly accountable for the condition and disposition of all firearms on the set.

BTW, I put the photo up to see if anyone would feel shame for dancing on the grave of the deceased director of photography, and reveling in the personal agony of someone who was the unwitting agent of the accident. I guess I expected too much.
 
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Fine Figure of a Man

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I knew an artillery officer who served in Vietnam. He was given the wrong coordinates for a volley and he never recovered from the friendly fire incident.
You honestly think that is in any way analogous?
And yes, actors are not held to be responsible for the firearms, or incidents with them. Famous or not. I reiterate in case you can't understand - gun safety is the responsibility of a licensed armorer, who is directly accountable for the condition and disposition of all firearms on the set.
Interesting, that should be added to the list of gun safety rules. It will be news to every gun safety instructor in the country.
What defines a person as an actor?
BTW, I put the photo up to see if anyone would feel shame for dancing on the grave of the deceased director of photography, and reveling in the personal agony of someone who was the unwitting agent of the accident. I guess I expected too much.
Of course you did. You just forgot to mention the deceased until just now, no doubt due to your grief over the matter combined with your disgust and disapointment with the rest of us.
 

Fine Figure of a Man

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Here is some vintage Baldwin for you.
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roscoe

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Interesting, that should be added to the list of gun safety rules. It will be news to every gun safety instructor in the country.
What defines a person as an actor?

It may be. They may not know how a film set is run. In fact, why would I expect otherwise? I doubt the actors know whether the gun is even real half the time.

You folks here can't seem to get this: this is not a situation where real guns are always used. It is likely a combination or real and fake and it is not the actor's job to sort all that out. This is a film set.

Anything else in this thread is simply not relevant, and only shows some unfortunate emotional reactions.
 

roscoe

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Here is some vintage Baldwin for you.
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You act like this is relevant. It is not. I am not defending Baldwin as a person, generally. I am telling you that you are wrong for feeling and saying the things that you have expressed on this thread.

I would hope that you would all call me out if I celebrated the death by COVID of some public COVID denier.
 
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sota

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Some weird stuff coming out online from people supposedly on the inside:
1) the union prop people had walked off the set and there were possibly new and untrained people handling the props;
2) the reasons the union people walked off were because of unsafe practices being used;
3) the gun was a real gun that had apparently been previously fired at a range, had a squib, wasn't cleared, and it was the blank round charge propelling the squib that did the damage;
4) the gun is Baldwin's own gun (!!)

No doubt there is more fault and blame to go around than just to Baldwin alone, but he does share, and if the authorities don't file appropriate charges to those individuals, Baldwin included, where carelessness or negligence were probable causes then I'm going to wonder where justice really is.
This isn't just directed at you, but to everyone:
if you're posting content like this, PLEASE provide a link to your source material.
 

wiscoaster

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if you're posting content like this, PLEASE provide a link to your source material.
The source for my bullet points was the Guns 'n Gadgets YouTube channel. Jared claimed the source of the information was some unidentified source related to the production. I can't verify his source, since it wasn't given due to a need for anonymity. And he himself identified the information as somewhat questionable. I didn't identify Jared as my source because I know him to come across as somewhat sensationalistic and so I usually take his reports in that light. Someone who isn't familiar with his presentation style will likely be turned off by it. And so that's why I posted as I did and I made it clear it was third-hand and not verifiable, only that it was being reported, and not to be taken as fact, and didn't post my source. In such cases, subject to about three levels of editing and bias filtering, and where it's not the intent of the post to prove veracity of posted material, it should be understood that links to sources are optional, and indeed may just be confusing where the intent of the post is to summarize content common to multiple sources.
 

wiscoaster

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And yes, actors are not held to be responsible for the firearms, or incidents with them. Famous or not. I reiterate in case you can't understand - gun safety is the responsibility of a licensed armorer, who is directly accountable for the condition and disposition of all firearms on the set.
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.... except that, taking your argument for movie production safety reliability, that particular individual was not on the set, because as a union member had walked off, to be replaced by another individual not qualified to do that job. Leaving who as responsible?????? Each person that handled it, according to gun safety rules.

Multiple sources, including credentialled journalistic sources, concurring on above information. I'm not listing them here because I don't remember them all.
 
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Fine Figure of a Man

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You folks here can't seem to get this: this is not a situation where real guns are always used. It is likely a combination or real and fake and it is not the actor's job to sort all that out. This is a film set.
You can't seem to get it. Any adult holding a gun for any reason is responsible for the safe handling of it. There is no exemption from the rules for actors, to suggest so is absurd. Not an actors job to sort it out? What about driving real vs fake cars for a film? Should an actor be expected to sort that out or are they exempt from traffic laws and the responsibility to drive safely as well?


They both accidentally killed people because of faulty information they were given. How is it not analogous?
The artillery officer fully expected to kill the target. If he had not he would not have fired. I bet he also knew his artillery piece down to the last detail.
 

Fine Figure of a Man

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How about this Professor Wikipedia. We know how much you like to hear from the experts.
 

wiscoaster

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Interestingly, some of the speculation I previously posted from another sources, and was called on for no sources identified, is now being reported on the news as fact.
 

roscoe

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How about this Professor Wikipedia. We know how much you like to hear from the experts.
I am going to wait until we have some actual confirmed information before I post any more on this thread. Too much speculation and arm-waving. Not to my taste.
 
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