Will SCOTUS rule that the states actions in 2020 election were illegal but moot since Biden has been inaugurated?

tyrant

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By the way - if you rely on Gateway Pundit for your information, you will regularly be led astray. You will not see me citing Huffington Post.


I take all news with a grain of salt. However, watch the last 2 videos of this link and tell me if you think the audit in Atrium county was legitimate.


 

theotherwaldo

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Nonetheless, once the question of the trustworthiness of the system has been established, continuing to use the system is probably a bad idea.
-And having a device print up a confirming ballot is a poor answer. It would be as simple to program the printing as it would be to program the rest of the results.
I am not saying that these changes happened.
I'm saying that it would be all to easy to make them happen... .
 

wiscoaster

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OK, share your information. I do understand computers, statistics, probabilities, and the internet.
No. I'm not going down that rabbit hole with you. You're not going to pay any attention to it if I post it. It's not "my" information. It's public information. It's all out there in plain public view but it's been suppressed by the MSM and the big tech, and it hasn't been reported on the network news, or been lied about, but it's out there for you and anyone else willing to actively seek and do your due diligence.
 
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roscoe

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No. I'm not going down that rabbit hole with you. You're not going to pay any attention to it if I post it. It's not "my" information. It's public information. It's all out there in plain public view but it's been suppressed by the MSM and the big tech, and it hasn't been reported on the network news, or been lied about, but it's out there for you and anyone else willing to actively seek and do your due diligence.

That is not an answer. If you post something that has actual merit, I am happy to credit it. Naturally, that can't be second-hand sources of second-hand rumors.

You will note that I document everything I say here, and cite all my sources. If you can't match that standard, then why would you be credible?
 

roscoe

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Nonetheless, once the question of the trustworthiness of the system has been established, continuing to use the system is probably a bad idea.
-And having a device print up a confirming ballot is a poor answer. It would be as simple to program the printing as it would be to program the rest of the results.
I am not saying that these changes happened.
I'm saying that it would be all to easy to make them happen... .

Well, since each voter can see their printed vote, it would require somehow disposing of one roll of votes and printing another fraudulent one without anyone noticing. Since they count the votes, I don't see how it could happen without a large-scale conspiracy with all the poll workers.

But you highlight the problem with meritless accusations. They are designed to instill distrust in a system, so that people become suspicious. Since you logically can't prove a negative, merely making the accusations is enough to cause the damage.

This is, by the way, why the 9th Commandment (in the Bible) prohibits just such a thing.
 

theotherwaldo

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Well, since each voter can see their printed vote, it would require somehow disposing of one roll of votes and printing another fraudulent one without anyone noticing. Since they count the votes, I don't see how it could happen without a large-scale conspiracy with all the poll workers.

But you highlight the problem with meritless accusations. They are designed to instill distrust in a system, so that people become suspicious. Since you logically can't prove a negative, merely making the accusations is enough to cause the damage.

This is, by the way, why the 9th Commandment (in the Bible) prohibits just such a thing.
Interesting.
The argument has no merit because you don't see any merit? That's a pretty high horse that you're on.
I voted, I saw no confirmation, all that I got was a Q-tip and an 'I voted' sticker.
-And, no, they don't have to dispose of any rolls of paper. All that they have to do is to just keep printing... .
 

roscoe

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-And, no, they don't have to dispose of any rolls of paper. All that they have to do is to just keep printing... .

But then the votes won't add up to the number registered. That would red flag the whole thing.

My point is - if you make an accusation (not you, but Trump), you best be prepared to document it thoroughly. Otherwise, it is just another conspiracy theory.
 

roscoe

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I love how the state and federal governments immediately proclaimed this to be the most "transparent and secure election" that there has ever been with no proof nor investigation into any of the allegations of election fraud.

If someone claims election fraud, the burden of proof is on them. We assume elections tend to be clean (generally), so a claim to the contrary must be backed up.

But Barr did issue a memo instructing DOJ investigators to "to pursue substantial allegations of voting and vote tabulation irregularities prior to the certification of elections" (Nov. 9, 2020 - see attached). They just didn't find anything.

 

WrongHanded

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My point is - if you make an accusation (not you, but Trump), you best be prepared to document it thoroughly. Otherwise, it is just another conspiracy theory.
Exactly. And for all of this so called "evidence" that's "out there" on the internet, you'd think someone would have brought it all together in one place. Perhaps a nice convenient website such as howtheelectionwasrigged.com. Trump certainly claims to have a lot of money. He could have paid someone to do this. Yet as far as I can tell, no such place exists.

If you have evidence, you'd want people to see it. But he and his legal team apparently don't want to make it available to us. The only logical reason I can come up with for that, is that they don't have any evidence....because it didn't happen.
 

Howland937

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It all comes down to 2 things for me, and it's strictly a matter of opinion.

1: Attempting to tamper with the election/voting process is nothing new, and certainly not confined to one side. I remember a close family friend who's now long gone, talking about standing on the corner across from the local polling place. The adjacent corner happened to have a bar, and he claimed to hand out dollar bills (2 drinks back then) to all the drunks to go "vote republican". That woulda been back in the 50's and 60's. 20 years ago it was hanging chads.

2: IF Republicans were aware that such flaws in the voting process and voting machines existed, there's nothing on this earth that will convince me they'd be above manipulating those flaws in their favor. This isn't good vs. evil or saints vs. sinners. It's two groups of folks and their followers, hungry for power and arrogant enough to think only they can be right.
 

wiscoaster

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Which sources that I have cited are not credible? You mean the US Justice Department? The US Federal Election Commission?
Exactly. It's the "official" and "authoritative" entities on (especially) Federal and state levels that are failing the people of this country, and deceiving the people of this country, and it's those failures and deceptions that are behind what's going on in this country, and if you don't get what's going on in this country then you just don't get it. And you won't get it as long as you keep looking to those same sources for your information.
 

roscoe

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Exactly. It's the "official" and "authoritative" entities on (especially) Federal and state levels that are failing the people of this country, and deceiving the people of this country, and it's those failures and deceptions that are behind what's going on in this country, and if you don't get what's going on in this country then you just don't get it. And you won't get it as long as you keep looking to those same sources for your information.

Well, my point was that I present all my sources. You are free to criticize them and provide your own data sources. Instead, you allude to some sort of information 'out there' on the internet. That type of argumentation is simply not credible. You don't like the data I provide? Fine - present me with your own data sets that refute my argument.

Don't just tell me that there is some sort of conspiracy on all levels of government to deceive us. You might as well blame the Illuminati.
 

tyrant

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Update:


Similar unconstitutional actions by the executive and judicial branches in Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, and Pennsylvania which would be enough to over-turn the election.

This isn't election fraud per-se but election fraud via state governments and they used the COVID pandemic as their excuses but it still doesn't float.

The Constitution clearly states that the legislatures make election laws and there are quite a few procedural steps that they have to take such as multiple debates, putting a notice of the law in newspapers, and such that they were all completely ignored. The executive branch made unconstitutional, illegal changes to voting laws, and then the judicial branch gave them the stamp of approval which if heard by SCOTUS should be over-turned as they were blatantly unconstitutional.




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wiscoaster

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Did OP edit the title of this thread? I don't remember the thread title asking that question. To answer the new question: "Yes" - I think that "moot" is the only Constitutional ruling they can issue at this point. If they grant cert and hear any of the cases at all. They haven't shown any willingness to do so in any sort of timely manner so far.
 

tyrant

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Did OP edit the title of this thread? I don't remember the thread title asking that question. To answer the new question: "Yes" - I think that "moot" is the only Constitutional ruling they can issue at this point. If they grant cert and hear any of the cases at all. They haven't shown any willingness to do so in any sort of timely manner so far.


No, question mark was always there.
 

tyrant

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Did OP edit the title of this thread? I don't remember the thread title asking that question. To answer the new question: "Yes" - I think that "moot" is the only Constitutional ruling they can issue at this point. If they grant cert and hear any of the cases at all. They haven't shown any willingness to do so in any sort of timely manner so far.


What about ruling that the election law changes by the states were unconstitutional and illegal but moot in terms of state re-votes.
 

sota

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I voted on a Dominion machine. When you complete your vote, it makes a paper ballot under a window that you can check for accuracy. For each voter, the paper roll scrolls forward and prints a new paper ballot. So there is a way to check your votes, and there is a paper trail. When they check the votes, they look at the paper record, which has already been checked by each voter. Even if there were some way to hack the electronic record, I am not sure how easy it would be to cheat the paper record.

It seems like a pretty good system to me, and no one has ever really offered evidence that there is a problem with it. Just allegations thrown out by Trump when he started losing.
You're assuming the humans in the chain of checking aren't up to nefarious deeds.
 
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