Why Russia Invaded The Ukraine?

[theotherwaldo]

Some time ago, I ran across a series of articles from a group of Russian scientists that appeared to believe that the Earth was about to experience fifty to eighty years of cooling, similar to that which caused the Mini Ice Age of the 16th through the 18th Centuries,

This cooling was caused by something called a Maunder Minimum, which involved changes in solar activity and related changes in the Earth's outer atmosphere.

This would result in shortened growing seasons, especially in the farther north and also in heavier and earlier icing in norther ports and seaways.

This would be catastrophic for Russia.

They would desperately need more temperate farm lands and more warm-water ports.

Guess what The Ukraine has?

Anyway, what do you think?

 

[Nicky Santoro]

I think it is more likely Putin wanted friendly/client governments on his borders. He waited until he was sure there was a weakling in the White House and then made his move.

 

[theotherwaldo]

I guess that creating a slave state on Russia's border is an excuse - but it's not a good one.
By the way, it's highly amusing that Russia is getting all incensed that The Ukraine is hitting targets inside Russia.

That's not fair - The Ukraine hasn't declared war on Russia!

 

[Nicky Santoro]

Exactly! Putin has no excuse for invading another sovereign nation. He did it because he knew he would get no serious pushback from Brandon Emptypants. The cucks in Europe will moan and roar and crap on the floor but will do nothing because they care more about keeping their asses warm in winter and don't want the gas to stop flowing.

 

[wiscoaster]

I think Putin is trying to stop and defeat globalism. His method is wrong, and it's probably going to prove counter-productive, but if that's the truth then it's worth considering.

 

[theotherwaldo]

How can Putin be fighting Globalism when he's allied with China?
China IS Globalism!
(Anyway, China has no allies, only dupes... .)

 

[wiscoaster]

How can Putin be fighting Globalism when he's allied with China?
...

Well, in the first place, I disagree that he and Xi are allies. They're aligned only in the sense they're both against the West. But they're adversaries when it comes to political, economic and military dominance. And I disagree China represents globalism. China is for China and for remaining China because Chinese are superior. World dominance, yes, but not in the sense of THE global government. I think Putin is against globalism in the sense of a single government because it's primarily a Western-centric political theme, and Putin wants a Russ-centric greater Russia along the lines of the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union dominating both the West and the East. He wants to maintain the Russian "soul". He doesn't want a homogeneous global soul, neither does Xi. And so for those reasons I'd classify both Putin and Xi as "nationalists" and not as "globalists". Globalism is a threat to both, but more imminent to Putin due to its steady encroachment upon Russia in the forms of NATO and the EU.

Side note: Kyiv was where the Russ ethnic group originated. Putin wanting to "retake" Ukraine for Russia makes perfect sense from his point of view of a "greater Russia".

Keep in mind we're only getting one side of the story here. There are at least three other sides. The Russian side, the Chinese side and the non-aligned side. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for Ukraine pasting the Russians, and I think we should help Ukraine all we can with war material, including aircraft. But we need to be more than a little wary of Zelensky, and we need to avoid getting dragged into a shooting war with Russia by his excellent PR campaign.

 

[wiscoaster]

If this isn't evidence that Google is reading our posts, I don't know what is: after posting the above I turned on my Apple TV and accessed YouTube to find the video posted below in second place in my recommended list:

 

[theotherwaldo]

By the way, Russia's birthrate is no where near replacement rate.
In fact, it is going to be dropping fast.
By 2050 it should be down around where it was in 1975 - and that's figuring in a high immigration rate of almost 100,000 per year.
I'm not sure that Russia can afford to use up so many of their young breeding stock to secure more warm water ports and grain fields... .

(Not that we are much better off, demographically speaking.)

 

[wiscoaster]

That's an interesting point I hadn't considered before. Isn't China in the same fix?

Maybe it's the globalists' solution to their notions of world over-population.

 

[theotherwaldo]

China's in even worse condition.
Their population will peak in about five years and then will drop rapidly.
By 2050 the population is likely to have dropped by over 100 million... .

 

[theotherwaldo]

Some folks here have stated that Russia invaded The Ukraine to create a friendly buffer state between Russia and the NATO countries.
That's not working out too well, as Finland and Denmark are becoming much less friendly to Russia.
In fact, Russia is making it clear that it is unwise to rely on them as a trading partner, as they tend to cut folks off if they annoy the Russian bear in any way... .