Who's Still Wearing A Dem Diaper?

[str8_forward]

I don't think the government as a whole has gotten a lot right with this whole mess, but when have they really gotten much of anything right?
Wearing a mask while I'm out running errands is nowhere near the biggest of my worries and I don't understand why people make such a big deal of it. Government overreach? Yeah, probably. Any worse than requiring shoes and shirts? Nope. It's a temporary inconvenience and pales in comparison to the assaults on the 2A. Besides, name any other point in time when you could walk into a bank with a mask on, carrying a firearm and it's perfectly OK.

I just don't like to wear a mask, period. My glasses are fogging up and therefore alone the risk of injuries on the job has increased dramatically.
And yes, my wife and one of my sons think that I am a mass murderer for refusing to do this crap.
I will not live my life in fear like the people in Asia .
My family gets food and other supplies delivered since February, I think, despite their intelligence (boys are mechanical engineers, one with a master in automotive), they are idiots, because I have to go to Aldi or Lidl to get milk and fresh fruit !!!
I have had this wuhan-crap two month ago while working in Yankeeland, no symptom's, no nothing, but our whole team stayed for ten days in the hotel, got another test (clear) and returned to work.
How did we find out ?????
That's where it gets strange, one of our sub-contractors got married and some of his colleagues went there to celebrate. Nobody from our team went. Two or three days later the customer approached our team and kindly requested that I and one other guy from my team gets tested because we were in close contact with one of the wedding guests. They found out through phone tracing who went to the wedding and ONLY selected these guys, because the customer did not know about the wedding. How in the hell did the customer know? Phone tracing, we just do not know whom they contacted to get this info.
Needless to say, I am the only one who has not had a Sim card in the phone for the last 5 years, using my Android only to listen to music or take and sent pictures of our installation progresss to our headquarter (when WIFI is available, like in the hotel).
My wife hates it, in particular when I am going on a bike trip in the mountains, but that's okay. We all die alone anyway, unless you are a pilot or bus driver,lol.

So, for joe and the hoe, I am NOT wearing a mask for 100 days. Instead of worrying about the mask, why don't you get busy and cure cancer as you have promised.....................

 

[theotherwaldo]

Just lost another co-worker - the executive assistant in the library where I used to work.

I still serve the public. I'll wear the Biden Bib when I'm in public.

 

[JohnKSa]

I just don't like to wear a mask, period.

Me neither. I also don't really care for going to work or paying bills, but I still do.

I will not live my life in fear like the people in Asia .

Interesting. So a person wearing a mask is living in fear. Using the same logic, I guess a person carrying a gun is also living in fear then...

I don't carry because I'm afraid, I do it to be prepared and because it makes sense. It's never the easiest option and is sometimes a hassle and unpleasant but I do it anyway.

I don't wear a mask in public because I'm afraid. I do it to be prepared, as a courtesy to others and because it makes sense. It's a hassle and is uncomfortable, but I do it anyway.

Just lost another co-worker...

Talked to the next-door neighbor to the north. Her cousin just passed away from it. So next door neighbors to the north and south have now both lost family members It's got us bracketed!

 

[Ranb]

I will not live my life in fear like the people in Asia .

I get that you don't care about infecting other people, to each his/her own. But it is so simple to wear a mask. It is low risk to the person wearing it and has the potential to protect others near you if you're infected.

I am fearful that I might pass an infection along to someone who is higher risk. That is why I wear a mask when around people. I don't really fear for myself. I'd rahter be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

 

[wiscoaster]

I will not live my life in fear like the people in Asia .

Bravo!! We need more people like this in this country ... AND ... I think maybe it's GUN PEOPLE that can show the way. I went to what some would surely label as a "superspreader event" today: a gun show where only about a third of the attendees were wearing masks. It was like heaven!! Well due to the guns mostly, but also due to normal people looking and acting like normal people.

Stay tuned. I'll report in if I get sick. Something I'm willing to do for the good of this country. Also something I think the odds are that I won't.

 

[theotherwaldo]

I don't know... I kind of LIKE going into most businesses with a mask and a gun without getting into trouble... .

 

[str8_forward]

Me neither. I also don't really care for going to work or paying bills, but I still do.

Interesting. So a person wearing a mask is living in fear. Using the same logic, I guess a person carrying a gun is also living in fear then...

I don't carry because I'm afraid, I do it to be prepared and because it makes sense. It's never the easiest option and is sometimes a hassle and unpleasant but I do it anyway.

I don't wear a mask in public because I'm afraid. I do it to be prepared, as a courtesy to others and because it makes sense. It's a hassle and is uncomfortable, but I do it anyway.

Talked to the next-door neighbor to the north. Her cousin just passed away from it. So next door neighbors to the north and south have now both lost family members It's got us bracketed!

Bravo!! We need more people like this in this country ... AND ... I think maybe it's GUN PEOPLE that can show the way. I went to what some would surely label as a "superspreader event" today: a gun show where only about a third of the attendees were wearing masks. It was like heaven!! Well due to the guns mostly, but also due to normal people looking and acting like normal people.

Stay tuned. I'll report in if I get sick. Something I'm willing to do for the good of this country. Also something I think the odds are that I won't.

Went to several gun stores in the upstate, and to my surprise the owners/personnel did not wear masks, but a few customers did (their choice).
This is an acceptable compromise, but the owner has the final say, not some yahoo. governor or major (see NY)

 

[str8_forward]

On the topic of N95 masks here's something I found strange and a bit frustrating.

When this whole mess began and the mask-wearing first became a recommendation, I dug around in my utility closet and found a nearly full box of 3M N95 masks that I'd bought when I had to repair leaking water lines inside my bathroom wall (mold, insulation, near death experience).

I gave a handful of them to my sister-in-law, who works in the local ER and was required to don a mask right away. They told her she wasn't allowed to wear THAT kind of mask since she wasn't a physician or nurse. She has to wear cloth or paper masks, then they asked her to donate all the N95 masks she had.

that's where the rebel comes out in me, I would have taken these masks and torn apart, just for spite. Yes, I am a selfish bastard and if I do not want to do it on my own volition, it ain't gonna happen. Glad your sister in law is a better person than me.

 

[str8_forward]

I wear a mask at work and when out and about near other people. As I am not always able to distance myself at work, I could be exposed then infect others later on. Keeping the number of infections down makes us stronger as a whole. I thought everyone understood this.

I understand that some people think their right to spread disease trumps the rights of others to live; especially those who are more vulnerable to illness. The simple fact is that a cloth mask is like covering your cough, it helps prevent an infected from infecting others. It does little to protect the person wearing it. In my opinion the anti-mask people are the kind of people who expect others to carry the load. They do not want to be part of the solution.

 

[WrongHanded]

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Farts are gas. Like air is gas. Air goes through cloth. The virus is in moisture particles that we exhale. Those moisture particles are much larger than gas molecules.

Some the meme is funny. But it's also misleading.

 

[wiscoaster]

Farts are gas. Like air is gas. Air goes through cloth. The virus is in moisture particles that we exhale. Those moisture particles are much larger than gas molecules.

Some the meme is funny. But it's also misleading.

You're forgetting about aerosolized virus particles.

 

[str8_forward]

Farts are gas. Like air is gas.

Air goes through cloth.

So does the virus: Study in Korea from April 2020. Of course, when trying to find English articles about the shortcomings of wearing a mask, nothing shows up. Why? Censorship.
We did hear a few times about research contradicting the effectiveness of masks, but these disappear mysteriously within a few days/hours.

The virus is in moisture particles that we exhale. Those moisture particles are much larger than gas molecules.

Some the meme is funny. But it's also misleading.

 

[WrongHanded]

You're forgetting about aerosolized virus particles.

That's not what moisture particles are?

 

[WrongHanded]

So does the virus: Study in Korea from April 2020. Of course, when trying to find English articles about the shortcomings of wearing a mask, nothing shows up. Why? Censorship.
We did hear a few times about research contradicting the effectiveness of masks, but these disappear mysteriously within a few days/hours.

Go blow out a candle in the middle of your kitchen table whilst wearing a mask. They help. They're not perfect, but they do help. Ever worn a mask in the cold and found your breath makes it wet. Same deal. It helps.

 

[Howland937]

Dunno if it's the masks or the social distancing, but I've noticed a huge drop in the number of people I've encountered who seemingly just finished eating a shit and onion sandwich.

 

[JohnKSa]

You're forgetting about aerosolized virus particles.

If you have viruses that aren't in water droplets, or are in very small water droplets, they can potentially get through masks. However:

1. The smaller the dose one gets, typically the less likely one is to come down with symptoms and/or the less likely the symptoms are to be severe.
2. There is currently no clinical study that has demonstrated that aerosolized particles of SAR-COV2 have resulted in infection.
3. Even aerosolized virus particles are larger than gas molecules.

This is the kind of thing that is irritating about this topic. Someone who has tried to become informed on the topic, or who has any real practical knowledge of this topic wouldn't imply that gas molecules are comparable in size to virus particles.

An oxygen molecule is 100-1000 times smaller than a single coronavirus particle (the virus varies considerably in size). Implying that the size of one coronavirus is comparable to that of gas molecules is like implying that a sheltie dog is about the same height as a 10 story to 100 story building.

And aerosolized particles are typically about 10 times larger than a single coronavirus.

So does the virus: Study in Korea from April 2020.

From the study:

"This experiment ... does not reflect the actual transmission of infection from patients with COVID-19 wearing different types of masks."

The problem with this topic is that too many people have either made up their minds ahead of time or had someone else make up their minds for them. At that point, they're done taking in any information that doesn't fit their preconception.

I had someone forward me a study "proving" that masks were ineffective. Actually I had two different people forward it to me. Unlike them, I actually took the time to read it and found out that it didn't prove anything of the kind. Because they obviously had no idea what it said, it was clear that they were just passing on something someone else passed to them rather than actually doing research and employing any logical/critical thought.

They thought the study was comparing the use of masks to non-use of masks when in fact it was comparing the use of different types of masks. Small wonder then that there wasn't that much difference in the results, but that was lost on them because they had already made up their minds and had no need to actually read the study. They just passed on what others passed to them and believed what others told them.

 

[wiscoaster]

Only masks rated "N95" by the NIOSH stop 95% percent of aerosolized virus particles (thus reducing the potential innoculum load significantly) but you see very few masked people wearing them. Wearing them for any length of time produces produces hypercapnia (excess carbon dioxide level in the blood) due to re-inhaled carbon dioxide.

Symptoms of carbon dioxide poisoning include nause, vomiting, dizziness, headache, rapid breathing, fast heart rate, and flushing (warmth, redness, or tingling of the skin). Symptoms of severe cases of carbon dioxide poisoning may include confusion, convulsion and loss of consciousness.

Don't wear one of these masks while driving!!

Have you noticed that these days a lot of people you deal with, people who are required to wear a mask for long periods of time, see to be slightly confused?

 

[JohnKSa]

Only masks rated "N95" by the NIOSH stop 95% percent of aerosolized virus particles (thus reducing the potential innoculum load significantly)...

From my earlier post: "There is currently no clinical study that has demonstrated that aerosolized particles of SAR-COV2 have resulted in infection."

http://image.www2.pennmedicine.org/lib/fe2d117170640478711179/m/1/d6cef08a-993b-4f2f-b2c9-8a89b8bcf373.pdf?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=SFMC&_ga=2.255945355.1669722014.1610894214-765700449.1610894214

"There is extensive published evidence from across the globe that demonstrates the overwhelming majority of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 is via large respiratory droplets."

"The epidemiologic evidence to date overwhelmingly supports that the mechanism of COVID-19 transmission from person-to-person is through droplets encountered during close contact"

"Transmission via airborne aerosols is not supported by epidemiologic evidence..."

COVID-19: Droplet or Airborne Transmission? Penn Medicine Epidemiologists Issue Statement - Penn Medicine

The coronavirus airborne vs. droplet transmission controversy currently involves scientists with very different perspectives on viral transmission—those involved in the study of airflow in contained environments, and those who research viral infection and spread in populations.

www.pennmedicine.org

"No study has demonstrated actual clinical evidence of the airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2;" <<Note: It's important to understand that in this context, "airborne transmission" refers specifically and exclusively to transmission via aerosolized particles.>>

Transmission of SARS-CoV-2: implications for infection prevention precautions

Scientific Brief

www.who.int

" To date, transmission of SARS-CoV-2 by this type of aerosol route has not been demonstrated..."

Wearing them for any length of time produces produces hypercapnia (excess carbon dioxide level in the blood) due to re-inhaled carbon dioxide.

Ummm... No. As already mentioned, gas molecules are 100 to 1000 times smaller than the virus particles and will sail right through a mask--even an N95 mask.

Carbon Monoxide Poisoning: Overview, Symptoms and Diagnosis

Learn about carbon monoxide poisoning and what causes it. Find information on carbon monoxide symptoms, diagnosis, treatment, and prevention.

www.healthline.com

"“There is no risk of hypercapnia (CO2 retention) in healthy adults who use face coverings, including medical and cloth face masks, as well as N95s,” Dr. Robert Glatter, an emergency physician at Lenox Hill Hospital, New York, told Healthline. “Carbon dioxide molecules freely diffuse through the masks, allowing normal gas exchange while breathing.”

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.

www.webmd.com

"Wearing a face mask cannot lead to carbon dioxide poisoning, even in people with lung disease, researchers report."

A large percentage of the accumulated knowledge of the human race is at your fingertips. Don't just believe what you are told--go looking for yourself. And don't just find one source that agrees with you and call it quits. Look at a variety of sources so you can get a more rounded view of the topic--especially in cases where there is known to be a lot of disinformation or strong differences of opinion.

If you use that approach for this topic you will find two things:

1. Masks (even cloth masks) are effective at reducing the spread of viruses. <<Note that "reducing" is not the same as "eliminating". This should not be a difficult concept for gun owners. Self-defense guns are effective at *reducing* the chances of being injured in a criminal attack but do not *eliminate* the possibility.>>

2. Masks (even N95 masks) are safe to use.

 

[kidneyboy]

Curious as to why some of you take medical advice from politicians. They aren't interested in your rights as free citizens why would they be interested in your "safety".
The very reason this site exists is because of politicians who want you silenced and yet you willingly cover your mouth and muffle your own voice while out in public.

 

[wiscoaster]

... “There is no risk of hypercapnia (CO2 retention) in healthy adults who use face coverings, including medical and cloth face masks, as well as N95s,” Dr. Robert Glatter, an emergency physician at Lenox Hill Hospital, New York, told Healthline. “Carbon dioxide molecules freely diffuse through the masks, allowing normal gas exchange while breathing"

"Wearing a face mask cannot lead to carbon dioxide poisoning, even in people with lung disease, researchers report."


2. Masks (even N95 masks) are safe to use.

Sorry, but that's misinformation bullcrap, as I've personally experienced the effects of carbon dioxide poisoning while wearing an N95 mask.

Keep in mind I'm a former professional pilot, I've been to the altitude chamber, I think I know a little more than the average person about respiration and gas exchange in the lungs and bloodstream.