Who wants a $25,000 compact truck that gets 30+ MPG?

LiveLife

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Me. 😄

Fresh out of college in 1989, I bought a new Nissan Hardbody and LOVED the truck that was reliable, peppy and got very decent mileage before getting married with fullsize 4x4 3/4 ton Chevy truck and Suburban for towing trailers with quads for family.

Now retired after several trucks/Suburbans, I long for compact 4x4 truck to use for driving to BLM shooting spots and hauling things around town/grocery shopping.

Ford Maverick has been popular with models available below $25,000 - https://www.cars.com/shopping/resul...rick&sort=list_price&stock_type=new&zip=95538

Here's Car & Driver review - https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/maverick-2023

And now Toyota is challenging Ford Maverick with Stout compack truck with MSRP around $23,000 followed by compact truck challenges from other manufacturers.

This is good news for me.

 
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theotherwaldo

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Sounds pretty good.
I've got an '02 Chevy Tracker for the off-road stuff and an 04 Trailblazer for everything else.
Then again, I don't buy new stuff... .
 
LiveLife

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This Youtuber operates a small used car lot and I have followed his operation over the years. From his perspective, car market has totally turned around and is now dead ... No one is buying and afraid to buy. He has to liquidate NOW or face taking greater loss over time.

"Car dealerships are in trouble ... Car dealerships are going to die"

 
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theotherwaldo

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My policy of paying almost everything off every month, carefully considering the relative value of all major purchases and avoiding purchasing expensive new items wherever feasible means that I have access to more cash than I've ever had in my life, as well as more credit than I'm ever likely to need... .
 
LiveLife

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theotherwaldo said:
My policy of paying almost everything off every month, carefully considering the relative value of all major purchases and avoiding purchasing expensive new items wherever feasible means that I have access to more cash than I've ever had in my life, as well as more credit than I'm ever likely to need... .
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Smart man. (y)
 
LiveLife

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LiveLife said:
Toyota is challenging Ford Maverick with Stout compact truck with MSRP around $23,000
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Toyota looks to be continuing work on the Stout compact truck - https://www.motorbiscuit.com/toyota-studying-ford-maverick-santa-cruz/
  • Rumors suggest Stout ... starting price of around $23,000 but could share a hybrid and PHEV powertrain with the RAV4
  • Stout will ride on the TNGA platform used by RAV4 and Corolla
  • Stout to tow up to 5,000 lbs which matches Santa Cruz/Honda Ridgeline tow rating (Maverick can tow 4,000 lbs)
  • Toyota was caught in Michagin studying Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz which could ensure Stout pickup truck is built better than competitors

LiveLife said:
where's the $15,000 truck GM's CEO promised?
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It's canceled.

After losing their shirt/pants/underwear/shoes AND socks on high end EV trucks that everyone is running away from (Ford lost $4.7 billion on its all-electric Model e business unit in 2023), GM canceled their sub $25,000 pickup - https://www.autoweek.com/news/a46869879/gm-chevy-silverado-gmc-sierra-phevs-coming-to-market/

AutoWeek - "GM also has canceled plans for a Ford Maverick-size EV pickup, and a Nissan EV pickup sized below the Frontier has been put on ice ..."​
 
theotherwaldo

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I guess that I've got high standards.
The first automobile that I drove got over 40 miles per gallon, had amazing ground clearance, and went places that most 4X4's feared to tread.
Then again, it weighed less than eight hundred pounds.
it was a 1918 Dodge Brothers touring car... .
 
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LiveLife said:
Ford Maverick is likely taking away many truck buyers to make the situation worse.
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I doubt it. Ford quit making the Ranger in the US because their marketing geniuses thought the Ranger sales were cannibalizing F150 sales. The termination of the Ranger did not noticeably increase F150 sales. It did increase Toyota Tacoma, Nissan Frontier and other compact truck sales. I was one of those. I bought a new Tacoma when I couldn't get a Ranger. 5 years later I was car #4 in a 5-car pileup that totaled the Tacoma (loved that little truck!), so I bought a 2004 Ranger with 34k miles on it for cash and haven't regretted it a bit. I can buy a lot of gas, oil and parts for my old Ranger for the price of a new F150 or Maverick.
I believe the majority of Ford's compact truck customers are mostly gone for good.
Ford's marketing department is staffed with some true maroons. Now they have convinced leadership to stop making affordable sedans and only build SUV's and trucks with the exception of the Mustang. All of those Taurus, 500, Fiesta, et.al buyers are now buying Toyota Carollas (I am one) and Camrys, Nissan Sentras and the offerings of Fiat, Kia, Hyundai, etc. Brilliant.
Evidently Ford Marketing has thrown aside the concept that "First you have to get the customer into your car and make him happy enough to come back. Then, his next purchase you might be able to move him up the size/quality ladder."

The quality of Toyota vehicles is legendary..... and for good reason.
 
theotherwaldo

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I guess that I just have high standards.
I refuse to buy anything that requires you to sign an End User Licensing Agreement that allows the seller to keep track of anything that you say, do, purchase, travel to or anything else that you do... like most modern cars require.
 
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