Where do we go from here?

CrustyCoot

Active member
And companies. Both employee and employer pay in. There's no reason the scale can't be modified so multi-billion dollar pay a far higher percentage. I know you just want it to not work, but clearly you have no good alternative or you would already have mentioned it. Medicare for all is the best solution for everyone who cannot afford to pay medical bills in cash on the spot.

And of course I realize the taxpayers finance government spending.
At 61, my biggest fear is as dollars become less plentiful to fund the beast, it will be a govt bureaucrat deciding who gets what treatment, and who will go without, maybe based on age as one of the criteria. Eugenics based on age, then what other doors are opened? It's not that I don't want it to work, I'm just taking off the blinders based on my observations of other govt financed programs, education being one.
 

Jeff62

Member
Where do we go from here?
I would like to see the moderate middle grow, Democrats and Republicans. I would like to see the extremes in both parties further marginalized. This is how the volume gets turned down on the crazy. Even though I lean more left than right I don’t like one party having the express lane in the legislative and executive branches. Republicans need to support their moderate, reasonable candidates and get the House or Senate back. Balance.
 

WrongHanded

Well-known member
At 61, my biggest fear is as dollars become less plentiful to fund the beast, it will be a govt bureaucrat deciding who gets what treatment, and who will go without, maybe based on age as one of the criteria. Eugenics based on age, then what other doors are opened? It's not that I don't want it to work, I'm just taking off the blinders based on my observations of other govt financed programs, education being one.
This is an understandable concern. Once upon a time, it was one of the main reasons I was against the concept - and I truly was against it.

However, after seeing insurance companies merge and options reduce, along with rising costs every year, I'm now on board (obviously). I think a single-payer system can work because we, the voters, have control over who we put in charge of it. I understand that you're skeptical, but I think it will simplify the whole healthcare system, and we can also see about bringing drug prices down to a place where we don't pay multiple times what most other countries do. $600 for an epi-pen just isn't cool.

I think we Americans are our own worst enemies. We simply cannot come to a middle ground. But how do you feel about Biden's suggestion of a public option? The concept is like health insurance, but without the profits, and will hopefully be accepted by the majority of providers (unlike the in-network BS of private insurance).
 

Howland937

Active member
Or I could resign from my job and retire early.
This. In regards to vaccines, taxes, lost faith in the government and all the perceived ills facing us currently, all the worker bees could just quit. A complete shutdown would really show...someone...something...maybe?

As much as I'd like more time to enjoy life and work less yet still have financial stability, it ain't happening that way.
 

Howland937

Active member
Where do we go from here?
I would like to see the moderate middle grow, Democrats and Republicans. I would like to see the extremes in both parties further marginalized. This is how the volume gets turned down on the crazy. Even though I lean more left than right I don’t like one party having the express lane in the legislative and executive branches. Republicans need to support their moderate, reasonable candidates and get the House or Senate back. Balance.
It seems counterintuitive to hope for balance in politics as that usually leads to more obstruction than progress. It just seems like too many people have forgotten that you don't always get your way and you rarely get everything the way you want it. My sincere hope is that the radical-left goes the way of the tea party.
 

str8_forward

Well-known member
Honest question for anyone who wants to give a reasonable answer. What's the best course for this country now? Continuing on the divided path, kicking and screaming because things didn't go our way? I understand a large segment of the population has used that approach for the last several years. Is that going to be the justification for everyone else to act the same way?

There is absolutely nothing I do have in common with the left/democrats.
Real conservatives (not Rino's) have been kicked , beaten and cheated for decades, and during the last 4 years the left has tried to destroy a man who has nothing but the best interest for Americans on his mind.
He beat the commie-azzholes from china, a country who defied and ignored all the WTO rules and regulations from the moment billy-goat-clinton let them join.
Never expected any morals or decency from the left to begin with, but the fact that President Trump was cornholed by mcconnel and other so called allies makes me literally sick.

Howland, stop sugarcoating, the large segment of the population are the left/democrats, with very few exceptions.

ANd as much as I despise the lying kenyan and his cohorts, it would have never entered my mind to beat up an idiot wearing the obozo shirt, spit in their food or damage cars with obozo stickers.

They (the left) do not have any scruples.

Let's see how far they can go with big-tech censorship and destroying the incredible economy (created by Trump).

There comes a boiling point, perhaps it'll last long enough for the midterms and things will change at the voting booth, but I don't think so.

Retard joe has already pissed off 75 million hardworking Americans (collecting welfare and teaching in liberal colleges is not hard work)
and he and his team will rub their incompetence and tax increases constantly in our faces. Untill.......................

Will not throw the first stone.......................... but ready to go at any second. My children and grandchildren deserve better than worrying about ending up in a re-programming camp, as the other side already callously suggested .

Again, there is no common ground, I did not fall for this crap the first time when obozo tried to pass theses lies.
 

Ranb

Member
during the last 4 years the left has tried to destroy a man who has nothing but the best interest for Americans on his mind.
I don't agree at all. How was Trump's mockery of the 2nd Amendment (take the guns 1st, his gun grab) in our best interest?

Trump bragged he could do anything per article 2 of the Constitution; so how was failing to make Mexico pay for a wall that was hardly extended at all, or failing to put Clinton in prison in our best interests?

He promised better health care; how was failing to improve it in our best interest? While the GOP said they would protect pre-existing conditions, their actual plan was to scrap it; probably in our best interests to ensure people drop dead from an illness they can't afford to have treated.

He promised he would be too busy to play golf; but in our best interests he spent more time on golf courses than almost any other president. He made sure to route military flights near his properties as to gouge the taxpayers with room rent instead of letting them stay in lodging at the government rates like I do when I'm on official travel. Our best interests indeed; as long as his pockets were lined.

Trump said he would release his tax returns like other presidents. It seems keeping them secret to avoid exposing how poor a businessman he really is was in our best interests. :)
Never expected any morals or decency from the left to begin with,
Based on Trump's history, I never expected anything decent from him at all. But Trump lowered my expectations of him every year. Knowing he thinks of half the population of our country as people can "move on like a bitch" and grab them is actually indecent in the extreme. He lies to the faces of his military and openly mocks his generals even though he hasn't a clue how the military works. Even disabled people are targets for his mockery; just because he can.
 

str8_forward

Well-known member
I don't agree at all. How was Trump's mockery of the 2nd Amendment (take the guns 1st, his gun grab) in our best interest?

Trump bragged he could do anything per article 2 of the Constitution; so how was failing to make Mexico pay for a wall that was hardly extended at all, or failing to put Clinton in prison in our best interests?

He promised better health care; how was failing to improve it in our best interest? While the GOP said they would protect pre-existing conditions, their actual plan was to scrap it; probably in our best interests to ensure people drop dead from an illness they can't afford to have treated.

He promised he would be too busy to play golf; but in our best interests he spent more time on golf courses than almost any other president. He made sure to route military flights near his properties as to gouge the taxpayers with room rent instead of letting them stay in lodging at the government rates like I do when I'm on official travel. Our best interests indeed; as long as his pockets were lined.

Trump said he would release his tax returns like other presidents. It seems keeping them secret to avoid exposing how poor a businessman he really is was in our best interests. :)

Based on Trump's history, I never expected anything decent from him at all. But Trump lowered my expectations of him every year. Knowing he thinks of half the population of our country as people can "move on like a bitch" and grab them is actually indecent in the extreme. He lies to the faces of his military and openly mocks his generals even though he hasn't a clue how the military works. Even disabled people are targets for his mockery; just because he can.

but the fact that President Trump was cornholed by mcconnel and other so called allies makes me literally sick.

By allies I am talking about republicans !!! Cheating, lying weasels, like your buddies.



And there you have the answer to 95% of all your questions.
 

The Last Outlaw

Active member
Where do we go from here?
I would like to see the moderate middle grow, Democrats and Republicans. I would like to see the extremes in both parties further marginalized. This is how the volume gets turned down on the crazy. Even though I lean more left than right I don’t like one party having the express lane in the legislative and executive branches. Republicans need to support their moderate, reasonable candidates and get the House or Senate back. Balance.
This, exactly. I've been saying the same type of thing for years. Moderates are the majority, I think, but the extremes have the loudest voices.
 

Howland937

Active member
Howland, stop sugarcoating, the large segment of the population are the left/democrats, with very few exceptions.
If that's the case, there was no reason to have challenged the election results.

Not sure which part I'm sugar coating though. The part where I don't believe that every one who voted Democrat is throwing rocks at police and beating up kids for wearing Trump hats? The part where I don't believe everyone who voted Republican is playing dress up after a visit to the tactical thrift store, waving confederate flags and getting facts from QAnon?
 

Ranb

Member
but the fact that President Trump was cornholed by mcconnel and other so called allies makes me literally sick.

By allies I am talking about republicans !!! Cheating, lying weasels, like your buddies.



And there you have the answer to 95% of all your questions.
Trump appeared to favor loyalty to himself instead of loyalty to the country. He treats Americans like they are something to be used and instead of served. I have no political buddies. The above post is not an answer at all. Trump made promises without conditions. He was a fool to claim he had the power to do anything he wanted. That was just one of the reasons he was a laughed at.
 

Howland937

Active member
Trump appeared to favor loyalty to himself instead of loyalty to the country.
That's the rub. Trump *could* have done some really good things for this country. His insistence on loyalty to HIM first, while punishing anyone who wasn't was his biggest downfall.
 

str8_forward

Well-known member
Hey, str8_forward, you say the left has no scruples, what makes you think the right does? They are all dirty, and none of them give a damn about us regular people. All they care about is holding on to their power.
Outlaw, agree with you, the vast majority of both sides are useless and corrupt, but for the left it is an unalterable condition.

I am just much more disgusted at the right because you are supposed to be at least a bit loyal to your party, und for me that is an unforgivable sin. A good 90% of Congress has dropped a dump on the Constitution, and your reasoning hits the mark right on. Power.
 

theotherwaldo

Well-known member
Both parties are totally fractured and in meltdown mode.
Neither is really relevant (or, for that matter, sane) and are likely to be ignored by most people until things change.
The "mainstream" press has mostly been bought up by billionaires that use it to push for their agendas.
Likewise, most of the newer media.
The mob is trying to rule - the usual result of democracy.
Time to lay low.
 

phil dirt

New member
I think the first thing is getting Covid under control with some level of herd immunity via vaccines. Then the economy will come back, because that's the only reason it went downhill.

An investment in renewable energy (and hopeully nuclear), along with some roads and bridges infrastructure renewal will provide a boost to employment, and go a long way with those who care about climate change (such as myself).

Biden and the Dems need to leave guns and internet freedom of speech alone. Simply put, they need to be very careful where they tread when it comes to individual rights. They would also do well to leave SCOTUS be.

A single payer healthcare or Medicare for all program is now the only clear path to affordable healthcare in this country. They need to do that for the benefit of the vast majority.

All that will go a long way towards getting things back closer to some sort of normalcy.
The Bidenistas want to give millions of illegal aliens Medicare. Not only that but the Democrats want an open border. We will be flooded with un-documented Democrats. The Democrats will be the only party, and after they do away with the Second Amendment, it will be a Communist party.
 

WrongHanded

Well-known member
The Bidenistas want to give millions of illegal aliens Medicare. Not only that but the Democrats want an open border. We will be flooded with un-documented Democrats. The Democrats will be the only party, and after they do away with the Second Amendment, it will be a Communist party.
They do NOT want to give millions of illegal immigrants medicare. They want to give them a path to citizenship instead. And also medicare. ;)
 

doubleh

Member
However, after seeing insurance companies merge and options reduce, along with rising costs every year, I'm now on board (obviously). I think a single-payer system can work because we, the voters, have control over who we put in charge of it. I understand that you're skeptical, but I think it will simplify the whole healthcare system, and we can also see about bringing drug prices down to a place where we don't pay multiple times what most other countries do. $600 for an epi-pen just isn't cool.
What in the world ever gave you the idea that we, the voters, would be in charge of a single payer health system. The government will be the one in charge. I've been in Medicare for a few years now and I can assure you we are not in charge of one damn thing. We accept what they determine we get and that's it. You can holler all you want but nothing will change.

I can't argue about the cost of drugs for us as compared to the rest of the world. It's a simple solution though. Just a law stating that a company can charge us no more than they sell it for in other countries would suffice. Drug prices would rise some world wide but I'm tired of the United States having to carry the rest of the world on it's back.
 
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