Tech Tyranny

roscoe

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Oddly no liberals care to comment. What does that tell us?
Imagine the reaction if this had come from Trumps press secretary. It would be the lead story in every MSM outlet

Pretty funny - who came up with the term 'fake news'? 'Alternative facts'?

The key difference, of course, is that Trump's administration spread lies, whereas the Biden administration is pointing them out.
 
The key difference, of course, is that Trump's administration spread lies, whereas the Biden administration is pointing them out.
I have no problem with anyone pointing out "lies".
The Biden administration is attempting to silence dissent.

Now try and tell us you would be OK with a republican administration "flagging problematic posts for Facebook that spread disinformation"

I would not be OK with it.​

 

wiscoaster

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...whereas the Biden administration is pointing them out.
...IF you accept their redefinitions of key English language terms with respect to the meaning of "facts" and supportive vocabulary, and their rejection of anything else that conflicts with same.

I do not accept engaging in debate where one side not only defines the language used in the debate but continuously changes the definitions of that language and also the rules of the debate to favor their facetious arguments in ways that predetermine the outcome of that debate, and when they can't get that outcome want to just shut it down.

You just can't debate with such people because they simply aren't engaging in two-way communication.
 

roscoe

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...IF you accept their redefinitions of key English language terms with respect to the meaning of "facts" and supportive vocabulary, and their rejection of anything else that conflicts with same.

I do not accept engaging in debate where one side not only defines the language used in the debate but continuously changes the definitions of that language and also the rules of the debate to favor their facetious arguments in ways that predetermine the outcome of that debate, and when they can't get that outcome want to just shut it down.

You just can't debate with such people because they simply aren't engaging in two-way communication.

This is kind of vague, and without a supporting example.

I am just pointing out that the Trump administration chastised the media for fact-checking Sean Spicer's lies about the size of the 2016 inauguration crowd, among many, many other things. Kelly Anne Conway's creation of the term 'alternative facts' is the most Orwellian turn of phrase in the last 50 years. How is this not exactly the same thing you are accusing the Biden administration of?

You are correct - facts are facts. They are objective descriptions of material reality. Which facts does the Biden administration not acknowledge? Which ones do you think they object to that are not true?
 

wiscoaster

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This is kind of vague, and without a supporting example.
You want "a" supporting example? Just one? Easy to please? How about the term "commonsense"?

The left is about as Orwellian as it gets.

"Alternative facts" are actual facts but not accepted as facts when they don't support the narrative or the hypothesis. I don't claim the left has a stranglehold on the technique, but they've certainly used it most egregiously and relentlessly for decades to shift the landscape of the debate in their favor. Selective filtering of all the facts to screen out those alternative facts that don't support the predetermined conclusion makes that conclusion false and deserving to be called out as nonsense by presenting those alternative facts that refute it. Unfortunately, a discipline lost to mainstream journalism in the present day and age.
 
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the Trump administration
This has nothing to do with Donald Trump, He is not the president, Joe Biden is, sort of.
Now try and tell us that you and every leftist in the country wouldn’t freak out over a republican president telling Facebook what posts should be flagged as disinformation.
 
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roscoe

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This has nothing to do with Donald Trump, He is not the president, Joe Biden is, sort of.
Now try and tell us that you and every leftist in the country wouldn’t freak out over a republican president telling Facebook what posts should be flagged as disinformation.
What, precisely, is 'flagging'? Does it in some way carry the force of law?
 

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roscoe

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You want "a" supporting example? Just one? Easy to please? How about the term "commonsense"?

The left is about as Orwellian as it gets.

"Alternative facts" are actual facts but not accepted as facts when they don't support the narrative or the hypothesis. I don't claim the left has a stranglehold on the technique, but they've certainly used it most egregiously and relentlessly for decades to shift the landscape of the debate in their favor. Selective filtering of all the facts to screen out those alternative facts that don't support the predetermined conclusion makes that conclusion false and deserving to be called out as nonsense by presenting those alternative facts that refute it. Unfortunately, a discipline lost to mainstream journalism in the present day and age.
No, I mean give me an example of using words to twist reality from the Biden administration. Because I demonstrated how the Trump administration has done it, and if you want I can give plenty of more examples.

I am not saying some folks on the 'Left' haven't lied. That would be absurd, but then, I can find some pretty crazy, racist, and offensive lies from the 'Right' if I spend 30 seconds on Google. But the Biden administration is not really part of that conversation. He is an LBJ-type democrat on almost everything. And if people are lying about COVID, that has the potential to cost lives, so someone has to call these kooks out.
 

theotherwaldo

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-And, if you're wondering, "flagging" means that you are suggesting to a service provider that a certain person or organization has done something objectionable and should be punished or banned from the service that you provide.
Members of the Biden administration openly brag that they directly contact certain service providers to flag any content that they consider to be disinformation, even if the information comes from credible sources.
If someone other than the Biden administration acted in this manner they would be accused of conspiracy to silence their political opposition... .
 
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