Good Ol' Boy
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I mean, I guess we can do the name calling thing if you want to be a dirty fascist about it.
Wheeee!!!!
Congrats, you're the first antifa I've actually knowingly spoken with.
I mean, I guess we can do the name calling thing if you want to be a dirty fascist about it.
Wheeee!!!!
My reasoning is you saying you want to inch by inch add more socialism to our country because "we already have some".
Thats literally how ideological subversion works.
I can almost promise you, I'm not. Most of us don't wear it like a hat.Congrats, you're the first antifa I've actually knowingly spoken with.
Ah, so you think that after we fix healthcare, education, the homeless crisis, address poverty, and move towards a carbon neutral energy and manufacturing infrastructure, that THEN I want the people to seize the means of production, abandon currency, and give handouts based on an as needed basis with no consideration to merit.
Because after we balance society so it works well for everybody and is sustainable, I'll be so drunk on change that I'll decide we need to ruin it with communism?
Sure. You got me peg.
Pressuring politicians for social programs with a proven track record of success is not communist.
With every word you speak your reinforcing what I'm saying.
I'm not sure whether or not you really realize it or not but thats irrelevant.
Nothing else for you and I to talk about.
But it is, and there's nothing "proven" about them. And the fact that you don't realize that leaves us at a impass discussion wise.
We don't just have some socialist policies, our society is filled with them! Military, public schools, public roads, welfare, police and fire departments, the post office, public parks, national parks, government grants for things like college, SOCIAL Security, all socialist programs. Do you want to do without any if those things so that the dirty socialists don't control our country?My reasoning is you saying you want to inch by inch add more socialism to our country because "we already have some".
Thats literally how ideological subversion works.
All those "causes" are the excuse to seize the means of production. I give you the war on the coal industry as a prime example. As for a society that "works well for everyone" that is a utopian value with no bearing or meaning in the real world.Ah, so you think that after we fix healthcare, education, the homeless crisis, address poverty, and move towards a carbon neutral energy and manufacturing infrastructure, that THEN I want the people to seize the means of production, abandon currency, and give handouts based on an as needed basis with no consideration to merit.
Because after we balance society so it works well for everybody and is sustainable, I'll be so drunk on change that I'll decide we need to ruin it with communism?
Sure. You got me peg.
War on coal?All those "causes" are the excuse to seize the means of production. I give you the war on the coal industry as a prime example. As for a society that "works well for everyone" that is a utopian value with no bearing or meaning in the real world.
All those "causes" are the excuse to seize the means of production. I give you the war on the coal industry as a prime example. As for a society that "works well for everyone" that is a utopian value with no bearing or meaning in the real world.
Punitive government regulation is free market? What color is the sky in your universe?War on coal?
That's a funny way of saying 'the results of a free market'
What punitive regulation? Coal is losing because natural gas is dirt cheap. It can't compete.Punitive government regulation is free market? What color is the sky in your universe?
This rapidly gets to the point it's like trying to blow out a light bulb. People who beg for top down Government control will NEVER hear facts. They don't want to. Sadly we have slowly become a country where people no longer yearn for freedom. They instead yearn to be taken care of. Freedom means you have to take responsibility for the things you do, choices you make ect. We have raised a few generations now to believe that no matter how many stupid things they do it was someone else's fault. So they need to be taken care of. Government is all to eager to step in and do this. All they need is to take some more freedom for the promise of taking care of you. Hey sounds great until it's too late.Punitive government regulation is free market? What color is the sky in your universe?
If you removed every piece of regulation in regards to coal, it would still be more expensive than natural gas.This rapidly gets to the point it's like trying to blow out a light bulb. People who beg for top down Government control will NEVER hear facts. They don't want to. Sadly we have slowly become a country where people no longer yearn for freedom. They instead yearn to be taken care of. Freedom means you have to take responsibility for the things you do, choices you make ect. We have raised a few generations now to believe that no matter how many stupid things they do it was someone else's fault. So they need to be taken care of. Government is all to eager to step in and do this. All they need is to take some more freedom for the promise of taking care of you. Hey sounds great until it's too late.
This rapidly gets to the point it's like trying to blow out a light bulb. People who beg for top down Government control will NEVER hear facts. They don't want to. Sadly we have slowly become a country where people no longer yearn for freedom. They instead yearn to be taken care of. Freedom means you have to take responsibility for the things you do, choices you make ect. We have raised a few generations now to believe that no matter how many stupid things they do it was someone else's fault. So they need to be taken care of. Government is all to eager to step in and do this. All they need is to take some more freedom for the promise of taking care of you. Hey sounds great until it's too late.
I am talking about the people who want top down control. You can't "reason with them". They do not hear or see facts any more. It becomes a religion with them.I beg your pardon? At what point do you interpret my posts at wanting the .gov to "take care of me?"
Not to mention destruction of the water supply. In South Africa, we have a massive problem with acid mine water. Where water seeps into abandoned mines, mixes with chemicals left behind from the mining process and leeches into the environment. There are areas that are totally uninhabitable due to "capitalism" as you define it.If you removed every piece of regulation in regards to coal, it would still be more expensive than natural gas.
I am talking about the people who want top down control.
But if we were allowed to have true, unrestrained capitalism, you could just use the power of the markets and not buy the fuel from the producers who polluted the water supply!Not to mention destruction of the water supply. In South Africa, we have a massive problem with acid mine water. Where water seeps into abandoned mines, mixes with chemicals left behind from the mining process and leeches into the environment. There are areas that are totally uninhabitable due to "capitalism" as you define it.
What we need to do is stay calm, anticipate that third parties will register and post seditious material to justify shutting this site down, and REPORT THEM IMMEDIATELY.
Again, I know it feels like the Republic is lost. It may be. But for now, on this site, please for the love of God stay calm, speak rationally, and hope for .... better judgement from our leaders in the future.
The coming days and weeks (likely after the 20th) will be easier, but for now we need to be on the best possible behavior. Please. :)