"Socialism", by any other name...

CrustyCoot

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Which is one of the things they are supposed to do. Gov't should not be injecting themselves unto people's every day lives. A government that governs least, governs best.
 

WrongHanded

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Which is one of the things they are supposed to do. Gov't should not be injecting themselves unto people's every day lives. A government that governs least, governs best.
You keep moving the goal posts in this conversation. So let me be clear about it: What is your solution to the healthcare situation you are complaining about?
 

CrustyCoot

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You keep moving the goal posts in this conversation. So let me be clear about it: What is your solution to the healthcare situation you are complaining about?
Not sure there is one. The great insurance many of us used to have is never coming back. Government is Not the solution. Unfortunately, too many lazy ass people are looking for cradle to grave nanny state to take care of them. Just asking out of curiosity, do you work as a scientist for a private company?
 

WrongHanded

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Just asking out of curiosity, do you work as a scientist for a private company?
No. I'm a welder. Been working with my hands, my back, and my mind my whole life. I've never coasted by or tried to shirk my responsibilities. I've never been on unemployment. I didn't get one of those associates degrees in welding technologies either. I started at the bottom, worked hard, and learned everything I could.

Why do you ask?
 

CrustyCoot

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No. I'm a welder. Been working with my hands, my back, and my mind my whole life. I've never coasted by or tried to shirk my responsibilities. I've never been on unemployment. I didn't get one of those associates degrees in welding technologies either. I started at the bottom, worked hard, and learned everything I could.

Why do you ask?
My apologies, thinking of another poster here. Our work backgrounds are similar. Started my career as a wood model maker. Saw that was going to be an obsolete trade, became a fixture builder, learned about molds and dies, then transitioned into CAD design and CNC programming and machining. My first day in the trade, I was paired wit an old German. His first words to me were you are lower than whale shit, but if you are willing to listen and learn, I will teach you.😂 We got along great and I learned volumes from that man.
 

roscoe

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My apologies, thinking of another poster here. Our work backgrounds are similar. Started my career as a wood model maker. Saw that was going to be an obsolete trade, became a fixture builder, learned about molds and dies, then transitioned into CAD design and CNC programming and machining. My first day in the trade, I was paired wit an old German. His first words to me were you are lower than whale shit, but if you are willing to listen and learn, I will teach you.😂 We got along great and I learned volumes from that man.

No - I am the scientist. Public, not private (now).

But, just as a background, I was in the trades (residential construction) for 20 years. I also used my back and hands, and could see that was not a place to be a 60 year-old. So, I went back to school, on my own dime, and part time, working in the trades the whole way.
 

theotherwaldo

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Well, the co-pay for the urologist that I went to today just tripled.
The cost of every medical has shot up while insurance coverage has dropped.
-And I still can't get over being penalized $600.00 for losing my insurance for six months when I was between jobs in 2014... .
 

roscoe

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Well, the co-pay for the urologist that I went to today just tripled.
The cost of every medical has shot up while insurance coverage has dropped.
-And I still can't get over being penalized $600.00 for losing my insurance for six months when I was between jobs in 2014... .

Wait - this year the co-pay tripled? The ACA went into effect 7 years ago. You are attributing the rise in costs to the ACA, not the pandemic, or other factors?
 

theotherwaldo

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The insurance companies expect the ACA mandate to be reinstated.
What do you think tat this will do to private insurance?

If someone owns your health then someone owns your body.
If someone owns your body then you are a slave.
 

roscoe

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The insurance companies expect the ACA mandate to be reinstated.
What do you think tat this will do to private insurance?

If someone owns your health then someone owns your body.
If someone owns your body then you are a slave.

1. I think you need to explain what you think the economics of the individual mandate are relative to insurance company coverage. Even without the individual mandate, the insurance companies still cover the same things. The individual mandate is there to drive down costs for everyone who is already in the system.

2. That logic is incorrect, and I recommend being careful with the 'slave' analogies. It suggests you don't know what slavery is/was.
 

CrustyCoot

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1. I think you need to explain what you think the economics of the individual mandate are relative to insurance company coverage. Even without the individual mandate, the insurance companies still cover the same things. The individual mandate is there to drive down costs for everyone who is already in the system.

2. That logic is incorrect, and I recommend being careful with the 'slave' analogies. It suggests you don't know what slavery is/was.
At higher deductibles and out of pocket costs than many had prior to ACA. For everyone who benefitted by medicare expansion, somebody had to pay. Free shit is only free for those who don't fucking work for it.
 

Ranb

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So why didn't the GOP fix our healthcare whene they had control of the White House and Congress from 2016-2018? It can't be anyone one else's fault after all the noise that Trump and the GOP made in 2016. Trump repeatedly claims he could do anything per Article 2 of the Constitution. I guess he thought the ACA was actually just fine.

I have Tricare. At $606/year for family coverage it's rather nice. Everyone should be able to get it.
 

WrongHanded

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So why didn't the GOP fix our healthcare whene they had control of the White House and Congress from 2016-2018? It can't be anyone one else's fault after all the noise that Trump and the GOP made in 2016. Trump repeatedly claims he could do anything per Article 2 of the Constitution. I guess he thought the ACA was actually just fine.
This bears repeating, which is why I'm quoting it.;)
 

roscoe

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At higher deductibles and out of pocket costs than many had prior to ACA. For everyone who benefitted by medicare expansion, somebody had to pay. Free shit is only free for those who don't fucking work for it.
Right - that is the entire point of the individual mandate!

To make sure the folks who normally don't pay for health insurance, but then use the emergency room as a primary care, actually have paid, so the rest of us don't have to cover them.
 

CrustyCoot

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So why didn't the GOP fix our healthcare whene they had control of the White House and Congress from 2016-2018? It can't be anyone one else's fault after all the noise that Trump and the GOP made in 2016. Trump repeatedly claims he could do anything per Article 2 of the Constitution. I guess he thought the ACA was actually just fine.

I have Tricare. At $606/year for family coverage it's rather nice. Everyone should be able to get

So why didn't the GOP fix our healthcare whene they had control of the White House and Congress from 2016-2018? It can't be anyone one else's fault after all the noise that Trump and the GOP made in 2016. Trump repeatedly claims he could do anything per Article 2 of the Constitution. I guess he thought the ACA was actually just fine.

I have Tricare. At $606/year for family coverage it's rather nice. Everyone should be able to get it.
How extensive is the coverage?
 

CrustyCoot

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Right - that is the entire point of the individual mandate!

To make sure the folks who normally don't pay for health insurance, but then use the emergency room as a primary care, actually have paid, so the rest of us don't have to cover them.
But we are covering them. And who do you think is picking up the tab for all the illegals, too?
 
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