"Socialism", by any other name...

[WrongHanded]

But we are covering them. And who do you think is picking up the tab for all the illegals, too?

We're only covering them if they use healthcare. The point was to push people who were unlikely to make claims (by needing healthcare) into paying for insurance, so that the insurance companies had enough money coming in that they didn't need to raise rates.

 

[theotherwaldo]

Illegals use health care?
That's news to me.
Remember, I live and work in towns that have bridges to Tamaulipas, Mexico.
Folks sneak across on a daily basis to get "free" health care that is paid for by my taxes and fees... .

 

[roscoe]

But we are covering them. And who do you think is picking up the tab for all the illegals, too?

Right - it makes free riders pay into the system. The individual mandate prevents (in theory) free riders.

 

[CrustyCoot]

Right - it makes free riders pay into the system. The individual mandate prevents (in theory) free riders.

Theory isn't reality. Quit b3ing so disingenuous.

 

[Ranb]

How extensive is the coverage?

Typically 100% of medical expenses (not most dental) as long as you use their hospital and doctor. Tricare is limited to active duty and retire military and their dependents. about 9 million people as far as I know.

I was very healthy while in the USN until I broke my leg and took 16 months to recover. However my first wife and child had extensive medical problems while I was in and my 2nd wife had cancer which required rad, chemo and surgery. I have had three surgeries since I retired. Long story short, I would be bankrupt if I didn't have Tricare coverage.

This is the kind of health care every single American deserves. As the one of the richest most powerful countries in the world, there is not a single reason why we can't take care of each other.

 

[CrustyCoot]

Typically 100% of medical expenses (not most dental) as long as you use their hospital and doctor. Tricare is limited to active duty and retire military and their dependents. about 9 million people as far as I know.

I was very healthy while in the USN until I broke my leg and took 16 months to recover. However my first wife and child had extensive medical problems while I was in and my 2nd wife had cancer which required rad, chemo and surgery. I have had three surgeries since I retired. Long story short, I would be bankrupt if I didn't have Tricare coverage.

This is the kind of health care every single American deserves. As the one of the richest most powerful countries in the world, there is not a single reason why we can't take care of each other.

First let me start by saying that our veterans deserve the best health care we can afford. But 300 million compared to around 9 million is a tall order without raising taxes to such a high rate that few people could afford to live any kind of a lifestyle that we all strive to achieve.

 

[Ranb]

Either Americans are worth it, ot they are not. I value the lives of Americans enough to hope we switch to single payer health care instead of the broken system we have now. Other countries can do it, it should not be beyond our capabilities.

I did not spend 20 years in the military protecting Americans just to watch then die from lack of medical care or prescription drugs

I'm not saying that we need to provide every single kind of treatment, but the medical care to keep people alive and solvent should be readily available to all Americans.

 

[theotherwaldo]

Single-payer has never worked anywhere else, so let's try it here.
You might get your procedure when the government employees get around to you - unless they decide that you aren't worth the effort.
An amazing number of people from single-payer countries come to the U. S. when they get tired of waiting for their "emergency procedure" to happen... .

 

[WrongHanded]

Single-payer has never worked anywhere else, so let's try it here.

Go ahead and rattle off some first world nations where it hasn't worked.

 

[theotherwaldo]

Name one where it did work.
It's a lot shorter list.
Medical progress dies when under socialized medicine.
So do patients that have to wait much longer for life=saving procedures,

 

[Ranb]

Single-payer has never worked anywhere else, so let's try it here.

So your claim is never? Anywhere?

I suppose you can discuss in detail why national health care is not working in Australia, Sweden, France. UK, Germany, Netherlands and Canada? Actually, I don't think you can, but I'd like to see what you come up with.

There is a reason why the USA is not at the top in caring for their people and why some people don't have the money to buy the insulin they need.

 

[Ranb]

Name one where it did work.
It's a lot shorter list.
Medical progress dies when under socialized medicine.
So do patients that have to wait much longer for life=saving procedures,

Examples? So the UK and Sweden where progress dies did not develop covid vaccines?

 

[WrongHanded]

Name one where it did work.
It's a lot shorter list.
Medical progress dies when under socialized medicine.
So do patients that have to wait much longer for life=saving procedures,

Most of Europe seems to be surviving pretty well without skyhigh premiums, deductibles, co-insurance, anual out-of-pockets, and having to navigate the network of preferred providers. As far as waiting for life savings procedures, that really depends on where a person is, what the procedure is, and how the system works. I think you'll find some people are waiting here too.

 

[roscoe]

Theory isn't reality. Quit b3ing so disingenuous.

What do you mean? That is literally the whole idea.

 

[doubleh]

Most of Europe seems to be surviving pretty well without skyhigh premiums, deductibles, co-insurance, anual out-of-pockets, and having to navigate the network of preferred providers. As far as waiting for life savings procedures, that really depends on where a person is, what the procedure is, and how the system works. I think you'll find some people are waiting here too.

How much of their paycheck do they get to keep compared to how much the government takes to provide these wonderful services? Just askin'.

 

[WrongHanded]

How much of their paycheck do they get to keep compared to how much the government takes to provide these wonderful services? Just askin'.

Oh, it varies from country to country. For example, Germany can be up to 42% income tax, but I haven't figured out how much tax it would be for my income level (as an example). They also factor in a State run pension of some sort, that I believe is more generous a return that Social Security is here. So no need for a 401K plan.