Should the Electoral College be abolished?

WrongHanded

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No, their phones weren't allowed. Or they were kicked out. That was testified to in the hearings by multiple poll-watchers.
Okay. I'm still not willing to simply believe that someone I don't know and have never met seen or heard, actually saw what you're saying they said they saw, and that it was fraud. I think that's pretty reasonable of me.

There's nothing in that post to debate. I'm just telling you that I'm done with this system. They won. You want to participate in a rigged system you go right ahead. Whatever you do in such a system makes no difference. The outcome is predetermined.

In some ways, it's probably better Biden being President, not Trump. History will hold Biden responsible for what's coming in the next few years: stock market crash, major depression, major inflation, deteriorating society, economy, lawlessness, a new shooting war.
Oh there's plenty to debate in that post, if we were both inclined to do so absent any actual proven facts.

Again, you're speculating that the system is rigged. If you find yourself convinced of that, you have the right to your opinion. I have seen no evidence compelling me to believe the same thing. Until such a time as I have access to such evidence, I will continue to believe that the election was not rigged and was free and fair. Both are beliefs, not backed with factual evidence.
 
Thoughts?

My first thought is "How many people advocating the abolition of the Electoral College actually know what it says, what it did originally, and how it's evolved over the history of our country?"

I would find it endlessly amusing how many such people haven't the first clue about ANY of this if it weren't for the fact that they're perfectly content to be maliciously ignorant on this to the point of allowing themselves to be manipulated into shoveling more power into the hands of the few in political power and less into the hands of the citizens themselves.

I'm somewhat reluctant to even discuss the matter with them unless they can first demonstrate a basic level of knowledge on these matters.

Why?

Because it invariably devolves into ignorant hearsay that reveals how woefully they are lacking in the subject.
 

roscoe

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There is always voter fraud. One guy in Pennsylvania voted twice for Trump that we know about.

The question, given Biden's Electoral College vote count, is about systemic corruption. It would have required Republican administrations in some states to co-ordinate with Democratic administrations across other states for this all to happen. Also across the country from Pennsylvania and Georgia to Nevada and Arizona.

Pretty unlikely . . .

Ultimately which is more likely - this huge conspiracy across the country was cooked up without ever producing a single piece of tangible evidence? Or that Trump, with his fragile ego and venal personality, was cynically manipulating his followers, and hoping to gin up some sort of Hail-Mary pass?

Which is the more likely explanation?
 

roscoe

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But as a response to the original question - Republicans should fight this tooth and nail. Numerically, they are at an extreme disadvantage. Only once since 1988 has a Republican presidential candidate won the popular vote, and that was right after 9-11.
 

George P

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The democratic thievery party should not only be abolished, but they should all be imprisoned for sedition, incitement to riot, treason, and failure to keep their oath.
 
So far, all are arguments I've ever seen for the abolition of the Electoral College have been strictly in favor of popular vote. Without fail, all the arguments for this have been from the Liberal side.

This demonstrates two things:

1. Citizens which support this do not, in fact, understand what the Electoral College does, nor do they know anything about its actual history.

2. Politicians who support this do so because they DO understand how this would radically shift the balance of political power in this country and how lob-sided that shift would be.
 
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