Obama's son? Or De Blasio's?

Grunt

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Police are calling it a random attack. I'm going to call it a hate crime. I hate that term but we've been given it by the Left so I'm going to use it. It's attempted murder.

Seeing this makes my blood boil. This piece of human excrement is 31 years old, with DOZENS of arrests. At some point we as a society need to realize that some people just need to be removed from the gene pool.
 

str8_forward

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the charges are aggravated manslaughter of an elderly adult, but since the murderer has black privilege, they are not adding hate crime, which it clearly is:
 

roscoe

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Police are calling it a random attack. I'm going to call it a hate crime. I hate that term but we've been given it by the Left so I'm going to use it. It's attempted murder.

Seeing this makes my blood boil. This piece of human excrement is 31 years old, with DOZENS of arrests. At some point we as a society need to realize that some people just need to be removed from the gene pool.

Just what does this have to do with Obama?
 

Reloadron

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Just what does this have to do with Obama?
The only remote and very remote connection is that following Trayvon Martin's death Obama came out and said:

"You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago. And when you think about why, in the African American community at least, there’s a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it’s important to recognize that the African American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn’t go away".

So would Obama also say the black individual in the video clip could have been his son? While Obama loved to portray himself as black the fact is he was a Mulatto and could never actually be black. Anyway to answer your question as to any connection about all I can remotely see was Obama's words regarding Travon Martin. Beats the hell out of me.

Ron
 

roscoe

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The only remote and very remote connection is that following Trayvon Martin's death Obama came out and said:

"You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago. And when you think about why, in the African American community at least, there’s a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it’s important to recognize that the African American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn’t go away".

So would Obama also say the black individual in the video clip could have been his son? While Obama loved to portray himself as black the fact is he was a Mulatto and could never actually be black. Anyway to answer your question as to any connection about all I can remotely see was Obama's words regarding Travon Martin. Beats the hell out of me.

Ron

mulatto?

Oh, man.
 

Reloadron

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mulatto?

Oh, man.
OK NYC born and raised. Also born in 1950 so dating back to elementary school we were taught Mulatto and Mestizo:

"The term mestizo means mixed in Spanish, and is generally used throughout Latin America to describe people of mixed ancestry with a white European and an indigenous background. Similarly, the term “mulatto” – mulato in Spanish – commonly refers to a mixed-race ancestry that includes white European and black African roots.

Across Latin America, these are the two terms most commonly used to describe people of mixed-race background. For example, mestizos represent a racial majority in Mexico, most of Central America and the Andean countries of South America".

Barrack Hussein Obama, was biracial and fits the definition of Mulatto. None of us has any choice as to ethnicity. We are whatever we were born as. The common name for what has become African American was Negro and Obama was not African American or Negro, he was biracial and certainly fits the definition of Mulatto. That is how it was taught. Stanley Ann Dunham was Barrack Hussein Obama's mother, she was Caucasian and born in Kansas US. Nobody can change the ethnicity of their birth. Anyway, all here nor there and I have no clue as to a connection between Obama and the thug featured in the video other than Obama's claim that Travon Martin could have been his son.

Ron
 

roscoe

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OK NYC born and raised. Also born in 1950 so dating back to elementary school we were taught Mulatto and Mestizo:

"The term mestizo means mixed in Spanish, and is generally used throughout Latin America to describe people of mixed ancestry with a white European and an indigenous background. Similarly, the term “mulatto” – mulato in Spanish – commonly refers to a mixed-race ancestry that includes white European and black African roots.

Across Latin America, these are the two terms most commonly used to describe people of mixed-race background. For example, mestizos represent a racial majority in Mexico, most of Central America and the Andean countries of South America".

Barrack Hussein Obama, was biracial and fits the definition of Mulatto. None of us has any choice as to ethnicity. We are whatever we were born as. The common name for what has become African American was Negro and Obama was not African American or Negro, he was biracial and certainly fits the definition of Mulatto. That is how it was taught. Stanley Ann Dunham was Barrack Hussein Obama's mother, she was Caucasian and born in Kansas US. Nobody can change the ethnicity of their birth. Anyway, all here nor there and I have no clue as to a connection between Obama and the thug featured in the video other than Obama's claim that Travon Martin could have been his son.

Ron

I am not questioning his genetic ancestry.
 

wiscoaster

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... I'm going to call it a hate crime. I hate that term but we've been given it by the Left so I'm going to use it. It's attempted murder.
I disagree with your reasoning. I disagree with using the label "hate" crime. A crime is a crime. Hate is a human emotion. Humans have emotions. They're normal. Even the emotion of hate is normal. Yes, it's a bad emotion, but it's an emotion all human beings are subject to experiencing. Having the emotion cannot be ruled unacceptable without denying some normal aspect of human behavior. What is unacceptable is behavior that's harmful to other human beings or their property or to normal functioning of society in general that's instigated by the hate emotion. A normal human being will recognize that behavior is unacceptable and not do it. A criminal human being will not and will engage in criminal behavior at the instigation of the hate motivator. Does this mean that a crime instigated on the basis of hate deserves to have additional specific penalties assessed because of that fact? Are those additional penalties going to deter the criminal behavior any more than they already don't? Crimes should be punished according to the crime and to the harm involved, not according to the emotion instigating the crime. Remember ... Lady Justice is blindfolded. "Justice is Blind." Or so it's supposed to be.
 

roscoe

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I disagree with your reasoning. I disagree with using the label "hate" crime. A crime is a crime. Hate is a human emotion. Humans have emotions. They're normal. Even the emotion of hate is normal. Yes, it's a bad emotion, but it's an emotion all human beings are subject to experiencing. Having the emotion cannot be ruled unacceptable without denying some normal aspect of human behavior. What is unacceptable is behavior that's harmful to other human beings or their property or to normal functioning of society in general that's instigated by the hate emotion. A normal human being will recognize that behavior is unacceptable and not do it. A criminal human being will not and will engage in criminal behavior at the instigation of the hate motivator. Does this mean that a crime instigated on the basis of hate deserves to have additional specific penalties assessed because of that fact? Are those additional penalties going to deter the criminal behavior any more than they already don't? Crimes should be punished according to the crime and to the harm involved, not according to the emotion instigating the crime. Remember ... Lady Justice is blindfolded. "Justice is Blind." Or so it's supposed to be.

I actually agree. It is not a crime to hate someone. The crime is the act. I wonder if there has ever been a constitutional challenge in the US Federal Courts to hate-crime prosecution.

Not that certain hate-driven groups with histories of violence shouldn't be monitored, or that you can't punish forms of intimidation harshly (burning a cross on someone's lawn comes to mind). Or that certain groups that more frequently victimized shouldn't be protected.

But in the US, we don't really punish someone for their motive.
 
Quite a large percentage of "black" people in this country have white ancestors. In fact, almost all have mixed European and/or Native American blood.

So Obama's mixed heritage shouldn't even come up in such matters, in my opinion.

Big. Effing. Deal.

As for "hate" crimes...also BFD as far as I'm concerned. Name a violent criminal act that didn't involve hate. They're few and far between.
 

Howland937

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I think the "hate" prefix with certain criminal acts is no different than the firearm specifications. It's simply a label that is applied as necessary to make crime extra criminal. Does it really matter if you rob a bank with a knife, gun, or note saying you have a bomb?
If you kill your neighbor for blocking your driveway, and theyre a different race...what's the difference if you hated them or not?
 

roscoe

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Quite a large percentage of "black" people in this country have white ancestors. In fact, almost all have mixed European and/or Native American blood.

So Obama's mixed heritage shouldn't even come up in such matters, in my opinion.

Big. Effing. Deal.

As for "hate" crimes...also BFD as far as I'm concerned. Name a violent criminal act that didn't involve hate. They're few and far between.

All this would be true, in a vacuum. But there was about 100+ years of concerted oppression of certain groups because of their geological origin and skin color. And as for the 'mixed-race' thing - look up the 1924 'Racial Integrity Act of 1924'. That law (and others like it) classified someone as black if they had 'one drop of black blood'. So, plenty of folks would have identified as white, or non-black if they were allowed, but the law literally classified them as black:

According to the Commonwealth of Virginia, Obama would have been black, by law. This law was literally designed (as explicitly stated) to keep the white race pure. This law was in effect when Obama was born, by the way, so if he had visited Virginia as a kid, he would have been legally classified as black, irrespective of skin tone, or percentage of African ancestry (similarly to the way South Africa used to).

So, when we talk about people being mixed race, we are going up against a long history of people using race as a weapon. Plenty of people alive today remember when these laws were still enforced, so just suddenly pretending that race doesn't exist as a powerful cultural construct is to be intentionally naïve.

Histories have powerful effects on people's attitudes and histories. Try wearing an orange sweater on St. Patrick's Day in certain neighborhoods in New York or Boston and tell me how that works out. Why doesn't everybody get along well in Belfast (or Jerusalem, or Delhi, or Kabul, or Dubrovnik)? History, that's why. People have long memories.
 
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theotherwaldo

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Well, if race was real and Obama was black then I am, too.
Luckily, Race remains the malicious invention of the slave-owners and race-panderers - and I'm just me.
 

theotherwaldo

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Actually, I was born in Alabama in '56.
It would have been OK, anyway.
The Black ancestors were concealed by being interbred with the Cherokee ancestors, who were concealed as supposedly being Basques.
Nobody wanted to be sent to Oklahoma... .
 
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