Lights Out: Power Grid Failure

WrongHanded

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I didn't grow up in America, despite being a US citizen from birth. So I don't really know who Ted Koppel is. But he wrote a book titled 'Lights Out'. It's about how vulnerable our power grids are. It's been somewhat painful reading through it, as he has fleshed it out with pointless descriptions of the offices and homes of various interviewees, or "the rolling hills of" I don't care where. But there appears to be a lot of in-depth information in it, and the scope and potential results of the scenario are severe to say the least.

The book is broken into three section:
• How a cyberattack (or series of them) could cause a grid failure.
• How unprepared our various levels of government are to prevent this or repair the damage promptly.
• How things are going to get really bad on a survival level after that.

We have 3 power grids in the lower 48. The Eastern grid, the Western grid, and the Texas grid. Good for Texas! But unfortunately, no one entity is responsible for any single grid. Cities, Counties, and various power companies seem to own parts of a grid and are therefore responsible for the maintanance and upkeep. As well as the computer systems that monitor the power usage and therefore demand in real time.

The last part is the important part, according to the book. But this next bit, I know from my youth. In the UK, evening soap operas are a big deal, and so is tea. When the commerical come on, millions of people get up from watching their TV and go turn on their electric kettles. The power companies have to push out a lot more power at this time, or the draw is too much and brownouts or blackouts happen. I can only imagine that once upon a time this would represent a significant challenge. But today computers monitor the demand, and probably have a great deal to do with adjusting the supply.

The networks that receive this information, and then transfer the data on to (I presume) the power companies, are not created equal. Cyber security is beyond my scope of knowledge, but apparently some of these systems for smaller sections of the grid - owned, controlled and monitored by a small city, with small budgets, for example - are not as secure as perhaps they should be. It has been suggested in the book that some of these may already have been hacked.

Basically, if someone could control enough monitoring "stations" to create false readings that say demand is high whilst demand is actually low, it could be possible to have the power companies increase output. Increase output beyond the capabilities of the grid. Causing cascading failures in high voltage lines, and transformers in sub station. Each failure would cut of part of the grid, and put more strain on what remained connected. All whilst the hacked monitoring systems are calling for more power.

Again, according to the book, this overload could ruin transformers at substations. I suppose they may just melt. Unfortunately, the transformers last indefinitely (unless damaged), and so there aren't replacements sitting around. Or at least not very many. To make matters worse, many of them were custom built, and are not standardized. To make matters even worse, some of the access needed to remove and replace some transformers no longer exists. Apparently special rail lines were used to install some of them originally. In some cases those lines have been removed. And those put in via roads needed extra large heavy duty tractor trailers. Transformers are supposedly quite heavy. And even worse than this, the book claims we don't really make these in the US any more, and getting new ones made to order can take 6 months.

Now, I can't say any of this is true. All I did was read a book. But if it's true, a well planned cyber attack could cripple the power supply of a significant area of the US for an extended period of time. And it sounds like it's possible that some foreign entity could already have access to some of our system, just waiting.

Just imagine, the grid you live in goes down. And doesn't come back up for 6 months at a minimum. What does that look like?

For me, I'd have no heating, possibly no running water, no microwave or stove, no communications, no access to money in my bank accounts. It's hard to say if natural gas lines would still be working, because I have no idea how much of those systems are electronically controlled. And all that is without a thought to what I consume. Production under the grid would all but halt, because without power most jobs cannot be done.

What do you think?
 

wiscoaster

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A power grid down for six months is the end of civilization. And the grid down for that length of time requires an equipment damage scenario. A scenario that wouldn't necessarily be the result of a cyber attack.

Preppers off the grid and out in the country might survive OK, at least until the starving survivors from the cities and burbs come out looking to take whatever they could find wherever they could find it, and the guys with the most bullets win.

A power company guy I talked to said they have whole lots full of unused transformers ready to go, so maybe (or I hope anyway) the probabilities of such a scenario are very low.
 

roscoe

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Six months? Short of global thermonuclear war, that would never happen. The systems are designed to shift power in case of local disruption. You can obviously have brown-outs, or even blackouts briefly, but there are so many redundant systems in place that it would take a bunch of nukes, or a big meteor, to knock them out for very long. In that case, most of us are dead, anyway. Now, hackers could disrupt things in the short-term, but six months? No way.

Hard to know how people would react if, somehow, all transformers suddenly exploded. I think a lot of people would organize to get power back, or find alternative systems (there is a lot of solar here in the Southwest, including my house). But, yes, some folks would take advantage and turn to violence. I have lived through a couple of hurricanes and had no power for a week. Hauling water in 5-gallon buckets sucked, but we did OK (we heated it with our gas stove for bathing).

Ted Koppel is (or was) a pretty well known TV journalist. He was just trying to gin up sales with this book.
 

roscoe

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Oh, there would definitely be local blackouts. But six months - it only took 42 days to build a Liberty Ship. I think we would figure out how to get power back up and running pretty quickly.
 

theotherwaldo

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Time to go solar.
I've lived without electricity for up to six months at a time. I don't want to do it again.
I'm up to the point where I can run my lights, fans, security systems, aquaponics, filtration system and a mini-fridge on solar power.
I look forward to completing my bank of panels, adding a bank of batteries, and then be able to run a chest freezer and a couple of window units.
Eventually I plan to install a Powerwall as well.
I'll still be hooked to the grid but I won't be dependent on it.
Solar power is relatively cheap - I've only got a few thousand into it so far.
What you do is up to you.
 

kimberkid

New member
Ha-ha, ya, in 1965 the systems just shifted and propagated the blackout. Most grids are running near peak. They have to take up the load of an adjacent grid and they're going to shed as well to protect their own generating systems.

I’m not sure about the last couple years, because honestly it hasn’t affected the western Midwest, but it was just a couple years ago the left coast was shutting down power to different regions at different times of the dat because the grid is so fragile ... and I’m not referring to when the power companies were shutting off power to help reduce the possibility of downed lines starting fires. I don’t know if this is still the case because all the media has been talking about is Trump ... and how everything is his fault; the fires and floods ... and droughts are all Trumps fault.
I just wonder, now that he’s out of office who is the Democrats & media going to blame everything on ... I suppose they could go on blaming Trump ... after all, the Obmanation got by with blaming Bush(43) for nearly 8 years ... and whatever wasn’t 43’s fault, the Obamanation blamed someone else for.
 

NIGHTLORD40K

Active member
Time to go solar.
I've lived without electricity for up to six months at a time. I don't want to do it again.
I'm up to the point where I can run my lights, fans, security systems, aquaponics, filtration system and a mini-fridge on solar power.
I look forward to completing my bank of panels, adding a bank of batteries, and then be able to run a chest freezer and a couple of window units.
Eventually I plan to install a Powerwall as well.
I'll still be hooked to the grid but I won't be dependent on it.
Solar power is relatively cheap - I've only got a few thousand into it so far.
What you do is up to you.
Im on the "Establish myself as the Warlord of a small, post-apocalyptic kingdom," retirement plan. Its not all bad. We will have live music, gin rummy tournaments, and the thralls will prepare a nice long-pig BBQ on Tuesday and Thursday nights after the pit-fights. Feel free to apply for your spot now, just PM me. Hurry, space is limited- well, except in the thrall pens.
 

Howland937

Active member
Anything past a couple of weeks on a large scale would be disastrous if it's in the height of summer or winter. No heat or refrigeration for most people would result in countless deaths from exposure. Life saving medicines that are temp sensitive would be ruined resulting in more death. Back-up generators at the hospitals only go so long before they starve for fuel. No access to medical care = death. Access to clean drinking water becomes impossible for most folks, causing...you guessed it. And, it's untelling how many people I'd end up killing after I lost my marbles when Chick-fil-A can't open.
 

sota

Member
chik-fil-a is already off my list.
I keep 6 5 gallon cans of fuel here at all times. that's 6 days of running my current generator 16.5 hours a day.
I have a stream near by I can get water from, and a bunch of those life straws and water tablets. I'm planning on making a gravity water filtration unit out of one of those 55 gallon plastic drums.
 

CrustyCoot

Active member
Six months? Short of global thermonuclear war, that would never happen. The systems are designed to shift power in case of local disruption. You can obviously have brown-outs, or even blackouts briefly, but there are so many redundant systems in place that it would take a bunch of nukes, or a big meteor, to knock them out for very long. In that case, most of us are dead, anyway. Now, hackers could disrupt things in the short-term, but six months? No way.

Hard to know how people would react if, somehow, all transformers suddenly exploded. I think a lot of people would organize to get power back, or find alternative systems (there is a lot of solar here in the Southwest, including my house). But, yes, some folks would take advantage and turn to violence. I have lived through a couple of hurricanes and had no power for a week. Hauling water in 5-gallon buckets sucked, but we did OK (we heated it with our gas stove for bathing).

Ted Koppel is (or was) a pretty well known TV journalist. He was just trying to gin up sales with this book.
Like when the grid shut down most everyone east of the Mississippi? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 

wiscoaster

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Again, according to the book, this overload could ruin transformers at substations. I suppose they may just melt.

While the cybercrime scenario could very well produce a cascading blackout scenario, I don't think that the resulting physical destruction scenario would necessarily follow. Transformers are individually protected from overload by physical circuit breakers, which open and take the transformer off line before it's damaged. (Ask any squirrel that tried shorting a transformer). Replacing the circuit breaker takes about 15 minutes after the utility truck arrives on scene. I can't speak to other equipment, but I think it's a pretty good assumption that the generators and the distribution network are similarly physically protected from actual physical damage due to demand overload.
 
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