I refuse to wear a mask

wiscoaster

Well-known member
No facts used, no evidence used,...
Facts and evidence were used - I just don't see any need and don't have the time and energy to recount the entire process here that led to my conclusions. I'm really a very analytical and logical person, all you get to see here is just the end result. I'm confident in my conclusions and decisions and don't feel any need to justify them to anyone else.
 

WrongHanded

Well-known member
I'm really a very analytical and logical person
Pretty much everyone thinks that about themselves. Just like most everyone thinks they're an above average driver.

But if you want to state opinions that suggest you believe you know better than expert scientists, I suppose you can do so.
 

The Last Outlaw

Active member
Oh, there'll be something else. Some other new Democratic disaster, most likely. We're way overdue for a stock market crash. Maybe this Covid relief legislation will hurry it along.
Democratic disaster? Are you saying that the Democrats somehow did all this? Or do you mean the difference in the handling of it between Democrats and Republicans?
 

WrongHanded

Well-known member
I was a pilot in my professional career and if I was wrong as often as these medical "authorities" I'd be dead now. Thanks but no thanks ... I'll trust my own judgment. It's served me well so far.
Hey good for you. You received training to operator a complex piece of machinery. I bet there aren't too many scientists or doctors who would just jump in a cockpit and try to do what you did, without having any prior training.
 

Selena

Member
You believe that? Really?

The CDC just relaxed mask recommendations for the vaccinated. So, no, the government is not trying to control people by making them wear masks. Just trying to save lives. Anything to the contrary is just conspiracy rubbish.
I see, so the relaxation of an edict the state had no authority to make is proof they have no intention to control. Bless your heart.
 

wiscoaster

Well-known member
....I bet there aren't too many scientists or doctors who would just jump in a cockpit and try to do what you did, without having any prior training.
You might be surprised. Before I was a corporate pilot I was a flight instructor. I've had both doctors and lawyers as students. I'm sorry, but in my experience and opinion the cliches about their bad flying skills have basis in fact. They are generally individuals that have strong egos and high levels of confidence in their abilities in their professional fields of expertise. These traits and characteristics don't translate and transfer well into unrelated and new fields of endeavor. It may be that same holds with epidemiologists and virologists when something entirely new they haven't encountered before comes their way.
 

WrongHanded

Well-known member
You might be surprised. Before I was a corporate pilot I was a flight instructor. I've had both doctors and lawyers as students.
The key word there is "students". They realized that their experience as a doctor didn't qualify them to fly a plane. So unless you've studied virology or epidemiology, my point is still the same: You're not qualified to be making claims about whether or not a mask is effective or how the pandemic should be handled, what the CDC should do next, etc. I don't understand what about that you're not getting.
 

TimRB

New member
The key word there is "students". They realized that their experience as a doctor didn't qualify them to fly a plane.

Possibly. It's also possible they realized that without a flight instructor's signoff, they couldn't solo as required, do the required solo cross-country, take the written test, or take the practical test.

Tim
 

WrongHanded

Well-known member
Possibly. It's also possible they realized that without a flight instructor's signoff, they couldn't solo as required, do the required solo cross-country, take the written test, or take the practical test.

Tim
Sure, that's possible. But it's highly unlikely for most individuals. I do accept your point though, some people have no idea how ignorant they are about a subject, so assume they know a great deal about it. It's called the Dunning Kruger Effect.
 

sparkyv

Member
It goes like this:

I don't like what the government is telling me to do.
They're basing it on the word of scientists.
Science has been wrong before.
I didn't like what they were saying when they were wrong before.
I don't like what they're saying now.
Therefore, science is wrong now.
Therefore, I am right.

No facts used, no evidence used, all evidence to the contrary ignored, desired outcome reached. Looks like logic. Is really just emotional response masked as logic.
Wrong.

It goes like this:

I don't like what the government is telling me to do.
They're basing it on the word of scientists.
But the scientists said one thing before, and are now contradicting themselves.
The experts are being bankrolled by some non-transparent, nefarious, foreign entity.
I didn't like what they were saying when they were wrong before.
I don't like what they're saying now.
The scientists appear to not being truthful; how can I tell if they are telling the truth?
The science is not wrong, but decisions being made are not in alignment with science.
Therefore, I am right to not allow my rights to be infringed.

The evidence is there; you can choose to ignore it, doesn'tmake you right. Pure logic is used.
 

WrongHanded

Well-known member
Wrong.

It goes like this:

I don't like what the government is telling me to do.
They're basing it on the word of scientists.
But the scientists said one thing before, and are now contradicting themselves.
The experts are being bankrolled by some non-transparent, nefarious, foreign entity.
I didn't like what they were saying when they were wrong before.
I don't like what they're saying now.
The scientists appear to not being truthful; how can I tell if they are telling the truth?
The science is not wrong, but decisions being made are not in alignment with science.
Therefore, I am right to not allow my rights to be infringed.

The evidence is there; you can choose to ignore it, doesn'tmake you right. Pure logic is used.
The evidence certainly is there. And it's being ignored in favor of cherry picked data or "alternative facts", along with a little conspiracy theory, to allow those who want to, to come to a conclusion other than where the actual facts lead. But again, a layman who thinks they know more than the experts. Because your conclusion fits with your motivation to not wear a mask. It's not logic that got you to where you are, it BS, imagination and propaganda. The US is far from alone in recommending wearing masks. Yet because so many have chosen to believe alternative facts; perform mental gymnastics and call it logic; or have simply refused, in some sort of protest about their Rights; we have a much higher death rate per capita than any other countries of similar economic standing.

If you think you're being logical, you're fooling yourself.
 

wiscoaster

Well-known member
The key word there is "students".
No.
Possibly.
And No.
They realized that their experience as a doctor didn't qualify them to fly a plane.
And No again.

Sorry, you guys are all off base. I shouldn't have used the analogy, and I shouldn't have told the story, because you have no idea what it is I'm talking about. This is one of those "it takes on to know one" and I apologize for putting you in the position where you feel you need to respond without being one.

I was trying to present an analogy between something in my experience and something else, an analogy that would present a picture of the scenario where an experienced and knowledgeable professional who would be considered an authority is at a total loss as an incompetent and dangerous noob when presented with a completely new situation outside his previous credentialing and expertise where that didn't transfer to the new situation. Such is what we've witnessed during this pandemic with those who should have known better but didn't, but weren't at all hesitant about advising us how we should deal with it.
 
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WrongHanded

Well-known member
No.

And No.

And No again.

Sorry, you guys are all off base. I shouldn't have used the analogy, and I shouldn't have told the story, because you have no idea what it is I'm talking about. This is one of those "it takes on to know one" and I apologize for putting you in the position where you feel you need to respond without being one.

I was trying to present an analogy between something in my experience and something else, an analogy that would present a picture of the scenario where an experienced and knowledgeable professional who would be considered an authority is at a total loss as an incompetent and dangerous noob when presented with a completely new situation outside his previous credentialing and expertise where that didn't transfer to the new situation. Such is what we've witnessed during this pandemic with those who should have known better but didn't, but weren't at all hesitant about advising us how we should deal with it.
Yeah, I think you've lost me entirely. Because I have no idea what straw you're grasping at here.
 

roscoe

Active member
No.

And No.

And No again.

Sorry, you guys are all off base. I shouldn't have used the analogy, and I shouldn't have told the story, because you have no idea what it is I'm talking about. This is one of those "it takes on to know one" and I apologize for putting you in the position where you feel you need to respond without being one.

I was trying to present an analogy between something in my experience and something else, an analogy that would present a picture of the scenario where an experienced and knowledgeable professional who would be considered an authority is at a total loss as an incompetent and dangerous noob when presented with a completely new situation outside his previous credentialing and expertise where that didn't transfer to the new situation. Such is what we've witnessed during this pandemic with those who should have known better but didn't, but weren't at all hesitant about advising us how we should deal with it.

Well, if the experts had never seen infectious disease spread in a population before, maybe. If they did not understand germ theory, maybe. But neither is true. And it is not as if there was one or two cocky geniuses making declarations. This was the consensus of many independent and sober scientific organizations with a lot of experience studying communicable diseases, of which we have many throughout history. And considering how much better countries did that followed the correct guidelines did in avoiding as much death as we suffered, I would say that they were largely correct.
 

sparkyv

Member
The evidence certainly is there. And it's being ignored in favor of cherry picked data or "alternative facts", along with a little conspiracy theory, to allow those who want to, to come to a conclusion other than where the actual facts lead. But again, a layman who thinks they know more than the experts. Because your conclusion fits with your motivation to not wear a mask. It's not logic that got you to where you are, it BS, imagination and propaganda. The US is far from alone in recommending wearing masks. Yet because so many have chosen to believe alternative facts; perform mental gymnastics and call it logic; or have simply refused, in some sort of protest about their Rights; we have a much higher death rate per capita than any other countries of similar economic standing.

If you think you're being logical, you're fooling yourself.
The "evidence" from "the experts" is being spun in what appears to be a nefarious purpose. There is a preponderance of evidence to support this notion, but not enough (yet) to convince the ignorant masses, and those such as yourself who pose as reasonable and caring intelligentsia pass it off as "alternative" and "cherry picked". I'm no microbiologist, and hardly an expert but do have an above-average education in the field. And I have a strong sense of discernment with an ability to research multiple sources of information and come to a balanced and unbiased POV. If you choose to take a side that is spoon fed to the mind-knumbed mases by an overtly and blatantly biased cabal of the media and politicians and ignore what you call "alternative" facts, I have no problem with that. It's when you and your ilk try to shove your untruths down my throat and attempt to forcably make me comply with your insane lies is where I draw the line.
 
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roscoe

Active member
The "evidence" from "the experts" is being spun in what appears to be a nefarious purpose. There is a preponderance of evidence to support this notion, but not enough (yet) to convince the ignorant masses, and those such as yourself who pose as reasonable and caring intelligentsia pass it off as "alternative" and "cherry picked". I'm no microbiologist, and hardly an expert but do have an above-average education in the field. And I have a strong sense of discernment with an ability to research multiple sources of information and come to a balanced and unbiased POV. If you choose to take a side that is spoon fed to the mind-knumbed mases by an overtly and blatantly biased cabal of the media and politicians and ignore what you call "alternative" facts, I have no problem with that. It's when you and your ilk try to shove your untruths down my throat and attempt to forcably make me comply with your insane lies is where I draw the line.

Nefarious purpose? You mean controlling people's minds through the metal nosepiece in the mask using 5G waves? Or maybe the masks have been impregnated with saltpetre. Or maybe the deep state invested in 3M stock! Maybe all three!!!!!

Very nefarious!
 
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