First act of treason before being in office

str8_forward

Active member
there we have it already, and the clown is not even in office yet !



As a legal immigrant I am so sick of this crap, someone should beat joe and the hoe to pulp and tar and feather them afterwards.

My wife and I did sacrifice a lot, no luxury, no real vacations while paying for private school and college.

And these guys? they are becoming Voters for the ""cause"", going to be lifelong members of the gimmefree club.

We could solve 99,7% of all our problems by implementing:

1) term limits
2) voter ID
3) only LEGAL immigration and no welfare/free medical care unless you are contributing to the system
4) anyone with a law degree cannot run for public office
5) if you are in public office and get charged and convicted for crimes, you will never be allowed to be in a public office again ! (felonies, not a speeding or parking ticket)
6) no nepotism, unless the family member/friend is actually qualified to do this particular job (not hunter bidet, sniffing cocaine does not count)
7) no minimum wage
 

NIGHTLORD40K

Active member
While I dont disagree with any of your assertions on immigration, the statements you opened with could be interpreted as threats and draw unwanted attention to this site.

Derek specifically asked us to avoid these types of comments.

Big Brother IS watching/scanning/aggregating/databasing........:cautious:
 

Lilguy

New member
We need to prevail in the arena of ideas. Not threaten to pummel those who
we disagree with. We have been loosing
ground to the left for years. Once free state
falling to liberalism, never the reverse. Why is that?
 

Ranb

Member
I agree on term limits, voter ID, legal immigration, nepotism (Trumps are a perfect example) and keeping felons out of office.

There is no reason why a lawyer should not be allowed to hold office. If they don't have a law degree, then they will be more dependent upon the lawyers in their staff.

We need a minimum wage to stop large employers from underpaying their workers so much that they need to depend upon welfare to live. Without a minimum wage, the taxpayers are paying for people to live instead of the employers.

#8 should be penalties for people who employ illegal aliens. The GOP would never permit big business to be penalized for exploiting illegal immigrants. There is just too much money is exploiting illegal labor. I don't really see Biden doing much about this either. Too manyb politicians want an easily exploited work force.
 

CrustyCoot

Active member
I agree on term limits, voter ID, legal immigration, nepotism (Trumps are a perfect example) and keeping felons out of office.

There is no reason why a lawyer should not be allowed to hold office. If they don't have a law degree, then they will be more dependent upon the lawyers in their staff.

We need a minimum wage to stop large employers from underpaying their workers so much that they need to depend upon welfare to live. Without a minimum wage, the taxpayers are paying for people to live instead of the employers.

#8 should be penalties for people who employ illegal aliens. The GOP would never permit big business to be penalized for exploiting illegal immigrants. There is just too much money is exploiting illegal labor. I don't really see Biden doing much about this either. Too manyb politicians want an easily exploited work force.
Min8mum wage in California would naturally be higher than minimum wage in Montana for instance. A huge difference in cost of living. That is why it is left to the states to determine.
 

Howland937

Active member
We need a minimum wage to stop large employers from underpaying their workers so much that they need to depend upon welfare to live. Without a minimum wage, the taxpayers are paying for people to live instead of the employers
There's probably no more defeating feeling than getting to the end of a pay period and trying to figure out which bills need paid immediately and which can be put off til next week. Especially someone who puts everything they have into their work. Week after week. Unappreciated, hopeless, overwhelmed, just....defeated.

A higher, Federally mandated minimum wage could seem to benefit a lot of people. $15/hr would greatly improve some people's prospects, but I worry about 2 things. The small business, employing a handful of people and already working on a razor thin margin could find it difficult to survive. Is it better to pay 4 people $15 an hour or 6 people $10? Just a question...

The other thing is the person who's worked years at a job, finally gaining enough training and experience to maximize their earning potential. They're now making, say $20/hr. Currently they're making more than double what minimum wage pays. Suddenly, the new kid on his first day is only making 25% less. That's not going to prove a good motivator for people "paying their dues", even IF the higher minimum wage doesn't cause devaluation of current wages.
 

CrustyCoot

Active member
There's probably no more defeating feeling than getting to the end of a pay period and trying to figure out which bills need paid immediately and which can be put off til next week. Especially someone who puts everything they have into their work. Week after week. Unappreciated, hopeless, overwhelmed, just....defeated.

A higher, Federally mandated minimum wage could seem to benefit a lot of people. $15/hr would greatly improve some people's prospects, but I worry about 2 things. The small business, employing a handful of people and already working on a razor thin margin could find it difficult to survive. Is it better to pay 4 people $15 an hour or 6 people $10? Just a question...

The other thing is the person who's worked years at a job, finally gaining enough training and experience to maximize their earning potential. They're now making, say $20/hr. Currently they're making more than double what minimum wage pays. Suddenly, the new kid on his first day is only making 25% less. That's not going to prove a good motivator for people "paying their dues", even IF the higher minimum wage doesn't cause devaluation of current wages.
Absolutely! I've busted my ass, learned a trade and acquired skills and some kid green behind the ears is going to start out at $15 per hour. I may be a whore, but I damn well won't give it away. I have always been happy to train young guys and teach them what I know, but if greenie is starting at $15, he's on his own. I earn a bit over $20/hr, where is my incentive.
 

str8_forward

Active member
I agree on term limits, voter ID, legal immigration, nepotism (Trumps are a perfect example) and keeping felons out of office.

There is no reason why a lawyer should not be allowed to hold office. If they don't have a law degree, then they will be more dependent upon the lawyers in their staff.

We need a minimum wage to stop large employers from underpaying their workers so much that they need to depend upon welfare to live. Without a minimum wage, the taxpayers are paying for people to live instead of the employers.

#8 should be penalties for people who employ illegal aliens. The GOP would never permit big business to be penalized for exploiting illegal immigrants. There is just too much money is exploiting illegal labor. I don't really see Biden doing much about this either. Too manyb politicians want an easily exploited work force.
Just my 2 cents,

Lawyers are the ones finding the loopholes and creating language too hard to comprehend for the normal person (this means myself and plenty of others). Therefore, it is easy to fool/mislead us and we will never have term limits. I am a simple person and want to be able to read and hear something like: thou shall not kill.

This fully explains the situation.

I do not want to hear about the murderer’s crappy childhood or the fact that his step daddy beat him every Monday and Thursday, therefore he felt the need to go to the store and kill the owner to steal a TV.

Way too complicated!

Minimum wage, for crying out loud, this is the reason communism does not work. I know too much from my former East German neighbors, same pay in the factory, whether you are hauling butt or sitting down playing cards.

If someone shows initiative, is reliable and his work is of higher quality, he/she should make more than the one wearing his pants down to his knees and plays with his stupid IPhone while flipping hamburgers and messing up the order.

The welfare argument does NOT fly with me. For a large percentage it is a lifestyle, spanning 1 to 3 generations! Do not know if there are any studies, but I am going to bet that there are very few Italian’s, Irish, Swiss or Germans on any welfare lists.

So, the question remains, why do we let so many uneducated and unqualified people in the United States? To waste our tax dollars? Other countries are sorting out, make sure these immigrants are not going to be a burden to society, but in the US, just like in Germany, leeches are swarming in and are taking advantage of the generosity while breeding like there is no tomorrow.

Your # 8, penalties. They are on the books, but are hardly ever enforced. When I came over here in 1983 to SC, there was a $ 5.000 fine for violators, cannot speak for other states and do not remember if this was federal law. I had a 3-year work visa, but the job I was written out in local newspaper for a few weeks prior to my arrival. If there would have been a qualified applicant, we both had the same opportunity.

Hope this explains my point of view, I have very little tolerance for laziness or mediocrity.
 

Ranb

Member
Your # 8, penalties. They are on the books, but are hardly ever enforced. When I came over here in 1983 to SC, there was a $ 5.000 fine for violators, cannot speak for other states and do not remember if this was federal law.
Fines are just part of the cost of doing business for the wealthy. Prison time is what it will take to force big business to stop exploiting people.
 

Ranb

Member
Currently they're making more than double what minimum wage pays. Suddenly, the new kid on his first day is only making 25% less. That's not going to prove a good motivator for people "paying their dues", even IF the higher minimum wage doesn't cause devaluation of current wages.
Is your employer paying you a fair wage or just enough to keep you from quitting for a better job?
 

Ranb

Member
if you really believe that this caravan has not been organized like the ones a few years ago, I've got a bridge to sell to you"
I was making a statement or what is and is not treason. So far we have just as much evidence that Biden has planned a new alien invasion as we for for the alien invasion Trump planned "a few years ago".

The words in " " are yours; like the way I twisted them? If not, then perhaps you can bring more to the table than hyperbole?
 

Howland937

Active member
Is your employer paying you a fair wage or just enough to keep you from quitting for a better job?
Currently, I feel it's a fair wage for what I do, and the amount of time and money I have invested in getting to the level I'm at. If my idiot co-worker who currently lacks tools, experience, ability and work ethic to do 75% of the jobs I do suddenly got a raise and was making only $5 less than me....well, in that case no. I wouldn't be making enough anymore.
 

theotherwaldo

Well-known member
I'm making a bit over $20/hr with a Master's Degree and over twenty years of experience.
Luckily, I've paid everything off and live cheaply - and don't have a wife or kids... ..
 

CrustyCoot

Active member
Before GM and Chrysler went bankrupt my job paid just over $30/hr. Even where I work now, we do more aerospace work than automotive, but those wages never rebounded, at least not here in Michigan.
 

Ranb

Member
Currently, I feel it's a fair wage for what I do, and the amount of time and money I have invested in getting to the level I'm at. If my idiot co-worker who currently lacks tools, experience, ability and work ethic to do 75% of the jobs I do suddenly got a raise and was making only $5 less than me....well, in that case no. I wouldn't be making enough anymore.
Your employer has to pay the new people at least $15/hr to keep them there, even if they are an idiot. I can't imagine that work ethic and experience is only worth $20/hr.
 
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