Biden's Border Policy Is More Than Just a Crisis

wiscoaster

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Biden's southern border policy is rapidly becoming more than an illegal immigration issue, more than a humanitarian crisis, it's becoming an actual invasion of the United States of America homeland.


This is the onset of an invasion. Biden is clueless about it, Harris makes light of it and the news media ignores it. I really wouldn't be too surprised if (or rather when) Texans take things into their own hands and start shooting in order to defend their homes and their families and their properties.
 

theotherwaldo

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It's also a local crisis on another level.
Several hundred yards of the levee along the banks of the Rio Grande near Mission, Texas were demolished in preparation for installing the Border Wall.
Biden isn't allowing the repair of this stretch of levee.
Hurricane season is coming and it's going to be a La Nina year, which usually means flooding.
Fixing the levee may be a matter of life or death for those poor folks that live in the low-lying areas near the river... .
How many more poor folks are going to die because of Biden's idiotic policies?
 
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wiscoaster

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Biden can't handle more than one crisis at a time. He hasn't even handled his one pandemic crisis yet. Hurricane?!?! I dare not even think of the possibility....
 
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theotherwaldo

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Our county gave up on getting the Feds to fix what they wrecked.
It looks like we'll wind up using county and state funds to repair the levee so that the poor folks that live in the flood plain won't get washed away.
 

str8_forward

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biden and his hoe are the enemy within, assisted by 90% of dems and 65% of rino's and I am still waiting for anyone to call it as it is, treason against the United States!
 

theotherwaldo

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I hope that Biden's puppeteers figure out how to fix this mess pretty soon.
We're running out of places to bury the illegals that don't make it.
 

wiscoaster

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I hope that Biden's puppeteers figure out how to fix this mess pretty soon.
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Biden occasionally drops hints that he's not in control:


On some level, I almost feel sorry for the guy ... you'd think he must realize when they're done with him he's outa here.

But, not too sorry; there are such things as consequences. If not here in this life, then in the next.
 

roscoe

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Meanwhile, in the data-driven world:

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theotherwaldo

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Must I quote Sam Clemens yet again?
CBP didn't even try to apprehend most of the ordinary border-crossers under Obama once his policies were made clear.
I work with the spouses and family members of CBP members and hear their grousing about the threats from above about what would happen to their budgets and staffing if their departments didn't toe the line... .

-BTW, especially don't quote the Com Post at anyone and expect to be taken seriously.
Pravda has a better reputation... .
 

roscoe

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Must I quote Sam Clemens yet again?
CBP didn't even try to apprehend most of the ordinary border-crossers under Obama once his policies were made clear.
I work with the spouses and family members of CBP members and hear their grousing about the threats from above about what would happen to their budgets and staffing if their departments didn't toe the line... .

-BTW, especially don't quote the Com Post at anyone and expect to be taken seriously.
Pravda has a better reputation... .

The data is from the Border Patrol. You can download it yourself.

The people who are fooled by statistics are those that don't understand them. The point of that graph is not that arrests were low under Obama, but that our current numbers are in no way new, or different, and can not be characterized as an 'invasion'. It is just more of the same. That video at the top is just breathless, anecdotal propaganda designed to get conservatives worked up, and to make the video makers some money.
 

theotherwaldo

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If the equivalent of the population of an entire state illegally enters our country within a few months. how is it not an invasion?
 
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wiscoaster

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The data is from the Border Patrol. You can download it yourself.

The people who are fooled by statistics are those that don't understand them.
No, the people that are fooled by statistics are the people that think they can use selected statistics to prove an already-determined conclusion.
 

roscoe

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Words matter. Look up the difference between an invasion and a migration. An invasion is by a military force, under a command. A migration is movement by a group of people across geography. Either can be small or large. Pancho Villa invaded with only 350. Millions migrated across borders during and after WW2 to avoid the Nazis and Soviets.

'Invasion' is a word used to gin up hysteria.
 
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roscoe

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No, the people that are fooled by statistics are the people that think they can use selected statistics to prove an already-determined conclusion.

OK, falsify away. Show me your analysis. The raw data are readily available. Because without data, you are just guessing.
 

wiscoaster

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Words matter. Look up the difference between an invasion and a migration. An invasion is by a military force, under a command.
Yes, words matter, so, no, not necessarily a migration. Look up the definition for "invasion". OK, I already did. From Merriam-Webster's online dictionary, definition #2:
the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful
 

Skidmarx

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I'm not smart enough to interpret data, or maneuver statistics. What I am smart enough to do is look out my back window, or around my neighborhood. A year ago, we moved from Hereford AZ (6 miles from the Mexican border).to Ohio, so all I can tell you today is what friends tell me. Six and seven years ago however, at the end part of the Obama administration, it was nothing to see a group of 5 or 6 illegals walking down the street. You went armed walking in the canyons. The Sierra Vista shooting range had to leave the doors to the restrooms unlocked after the place was shut down and the gates locked simply because if you locked them the illegals would break them down. The only bad part about leaving them unlocked was the additional cleaning that had to be done. If you're going to use a restroom, use it. There is no reason to intentionally defecate on the floor, the sink, and outside of the toilet. There is no reason to squirt out all the hand sanitizer or soap, there's no reason to spread toilet paper all over.
There were houses setting empty, whether from people who had winter homes there, military families being transferred or whatever. Our neighbor worked the oil fields in the Dakotas. It was nothing to see the houses broken into and trashed. Fires started in sinks and bathtubs, trash everywhere.
Donald Trump came into office, virtually overnight it stopped. In the 4 years I saw exactly one group walking down the road, and the Border Patrol was all over them. We're doing it for humanitarian reasons? Uhhh, OK. We would take UTV's over across Montezuma Pass into the Coronado Nat'l Forest. How humanitarian was it to the illegals who got separated from their coyote, or maybe they just tried it on their own. Two or three days without (or with very little) water will make the border patrol look pretty attractive. Pregnant women who couldn't keep up...leave them. Ever seen what a dead woman looks like after the 4 legged coyote's and crows get to her?
It's right back to where it was under Obama, but worse.
You can spout all your figures and statistics you want to, I ain't buying them, my eyes aren't lying to me.
 

wiscoaster

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Whether one wants to call this a "migration", it's definitely involving persons intent on causing harm to U.S. persons and property and thereby U.S. sovereignty and security, and not solely persons intent on relocating for humanitarian or opportunity reasons. I'll stick with calling it an "invasion" and I don't think it's a false label.
 

theotherwaldo

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The bottom line is that the law abiding citizens are expected and required to follow the laws of the land.
The non-law-abiding non-citizens are exempted from following any and all laws.
Our current federal leadership has no problem with this, but gets all upset with any state or locality that objects to this unlawful behavior.
 

roscoe

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I must say, it always impresses me how little folks here have read history.

Migration into the US from the south is a 100+ year problem. These people are migrating up to the US because their countries are are political and economic disasters. So, being what behavioral scientists call 'rational actors', they are trying to go someplace better.

But one of the big reasons their countries are disasters is because of the intervention of the US into their internal politics, starting with the Banana Wars of the early 20th century. We repeatedly intervened militarily in the politics of Central American countries, overthrowing democratically-oriented politicians in support of US-based businesses, especially United Fruit (modern Chiquita). The US Marine general in charge of many of the expeditionary forces was so disgusted by this that he finally resigned and wrote a book about it ('War is a Racket', by Gen. Smedley Butler).

We continued this, really, through the 1980s with our support of the Contras. If you are old enough, you might remember when the Contras killed those nuns in Nicaragua (one was an American). Congress outlawed support of the Contras, but Reagan continued the program illegally (remember 'Iran-Contra'?).

If you know anything about the economics of contraband, you will understand that you cannot cut off movement - you have to cut off demand. This is why the War on Drugs was a failure, and why attempts to stop migration at the border are bound to be failures.

If the US is serious about stopping migration, they have to somehow stop the desire to migrate. Obviously we can't go down to Guatemala and just set up a democracy - we have tried things like that in the past in the Middle East and look how well that worked out. But any REAL solution to this problem involved a much more nuanced and sophisticated response than just locking everybody in cages and separating children form their parents, and then losing the children. Those immigrants are not animals - they are just people who are desperate.

Obviously, Biden didn't make this problem - he inherited it. But he is trying to address it in a way that is effective, but also humane. If there was a miracle solution, it would have already been tried.
 
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