Alec Killed a Guy

Fine Figure of a Man

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One of the worst of the loudmouth anti-2A Hollywood leftist shoots and kills a guy.
 

theotherwaldo

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Prop guns can be deadly. The sealer on the end of a blank cartridge actually travels faster than a bullet would (for a very short distance) and any bit of debris in the barrel could be even more dangerous.
It doesn't help that filming often requires the actors to fire toward the camera person and director.
I've been an extra in a few movies and got to watch the process from up close.
I also have a small collection of prop weapons.
I despise Alex Baldwin but I cannot find him to blame for this accident, so far... .
 

roscoe

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Good to see folks here showing some real class.

Here is a photo of Baldwin afterwards (caption: "A distraught Alec Baldwin in the parking lot outside the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office on Thursday after answering questions about the shooting."
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str8_forward

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-According to a witness at the scene, Mr. Baldwin said, "Another take? I ought to just shoot you both!"
would NOT surprise me at all.
Hope he gets charged with involuntary manslaughter and spends a few yeas behind bars.
This makes him a felon and forbids him from ever owning a real gun.
 

wiscoaster

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This makes him a felon and forbids him from ever owning a real gun.
Baldwin is well-known as an anti-gunner. If he'd really known anything at all about guns and if as a gun guy he would have treated a prop gun like a real gun is supposed to be treated and respected this would never have happened. If there's any degree of negligence or carelessness involved --- and his alleged comment fits with at least a negligent and careless attitude for sure --- I also hope he gets charges filed against him. Poor little anti-gunner - I couldn't care less about his feelings - regret doesn't bring the dead guy back to life. Involuntary manslaughter is entirely appropriate. That's the same charge I'd face if I got careless or screwed up and accidently killed somebody with one of my guns. Justice is supposed to be blind. Alec doesn't get a pass because he's a "somebody". It should be up to a jury to decide if he gets sympathy or not.
 
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Phantom 309

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Sad. This is exactly how Brandon Lee was killed while filming "The Crow". I've seen some pretty harsh posts and memes floating around about this today, but you won't be seeing any of that from me.

While I personally do not care for Alec Baldwin one small bit the fact is that the death of an innocent person is something that I would not wish upon the conscience of my worst enemy, and a 42 year old woman went to work and didn't come home.

From what I gather, her(the director of photography) and the director were standing at the camera and the gun was fired at the camera. Hopefully a lesson can be learned here that this is a bad practice, empty gun, blanks, whatever. I feel we have the technology for those people to see what they need or want to see from a remote monitor without anybody being in front of the muzzle.
 

roscoe

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Baldwin is well-known as an anti-gunner. If he'd really known anything at all about guns and if as a gun guy he would have treated a prop gun like a real gun is supposed to be treated and respected this would never have happened. If there's any degree of negligence or carelessness involved --- and his alleged comment fits with at least a negligent and careless attitude for sure --- I also hope he gets charges filed against him. Poor little anti-gunner - I couldn't care less about his feelings - regret doesn't bring the dead guy back to life. Involuntary manslaughter is entirely appropriate. That's the same charge I'd face if I got careless or screwed up and accidently killed somebody with one of my guns. Justice is supposed to be blind. Alec doesn't get a pass because he's a "somebody". It should be up to a jury to decide if he gets sympathy or not.

No. He is not the one responsible for the firearms on a set, and it is nothing like you negligently killing someone with one of your firearms. The props director is in charge, and just as if a car rolled incorrectly, or a rope broke in an actor's hand, leading to a fall, the person in charge of preparing the firearm is responsible.

It doesn't have anything to do with anything else. Jeeze. Get a grip.
 

Fine Figure of a Man

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No. He is not the one responsible for the firearms on a set

He is not responsible for the firearms on the set but he is responsible for a firearm in his hand. If it were part of my job to point a firearm at a coworker and pull the trigger I'd make damn sure the gun was not loaded and so would you.

As much as Alec Baldwin disgusts me, I do feel bad for him . I also believe he is partially to blame, ignorance does not dismiss him.

Would anyone here even fire a blank directly at someone?
it is nothing like you negligently killing someone with one of your firearms.
Really? Explain why.
 
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wiscoaster

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Some weird stuff coming out online from people supposedly on the inside:
1) the union prop people had walked off the set and there were possibly new and untrained people handling the props;
2) the reasons the union people walked off were because of unsafe practices being used;
3) the gun was a real gun that had apparently been previously fired at a range, had a squib, wasn't cleared, and it was the blank round charge propelling the squib that did the damage;
4) the gun is Baldwin's own gun (!!)

No doubt there is more fault and blame to go around than just to Baldwin alone, but he does share, and if the authorities don't file appropriate charges to those individuals, Baldwin included, where carelessness or negligence were probable causes then I'm going to wonder where justice really is.
 

Fine Figure of a Man

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So much speculation and blame being thrown around here, with so little actual information.
Most of us have no fondness for Baldwin and readily admit it.
Someone was shot dead, Baldwin pointed the gun and pulled the trigger. He is also the producer of the movie . You seem very eager to absolve him of any responsibility. Would the fact that you see him as a loyal leftist comrade have anything to do with that?
 

wiscoaster

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So much speculation and blame being thrown around here, with so little actual information.
Yes, yes and yes, and plenty more to come of the first two unless and until the third actually is made public.

Already anti-gunners are using this as fuel for their fires. If what happened is blamed on the gun and none of the individuals that handled it are held responsible then you'll know that not all the facts and actual information are coming out. It was the evil gun!! A known public health hazard!!

Let's remember that Baldwin as the actor and as the producer has two links of responsibility chain where this particular buck stops. If investigation of the facts ends up absolving him of any criminal liability as the actor/shooter, then he's still going to be the subject of civil liability as the producer. Huge civil liability.
 
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roscoe

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Most of us have no fondness for Baldwin and readily admit it.
Someone was shot dead, Baldwin pointed the gun and pulled the trigger. He is also the producer of the movie . You seem very eager to absolve him of any responsibility. Would the fact that you see him as a loyal leftist comrade have anything to do with that?
No, I have no fondness for him. But it is very distasteful to see people speculation, blaming, making inferential leaps, playing politics. And looking for the opportunity in a tragedy to do so. Ugh.

No, antigunners aren't making anything out of this. You are the ones making this political.
 

roscoe

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Yes, yes and yes, and plenty more to come of the first two unless and until the third actually is made public.

Already anti-gunners are using this as fuel for their fires. If what happened is blamed on the gun and none of the individuals that handled it are held responsible then you'll know that not all the facts and actual information are coming out. It was the evil gun!! A known public health hazard!!

Let's remember that Baldwin as the actor and as the producer has two links of responsibility chain where this particular buck stops. If investigation of the facts ends up absolving him of any criminal liability as the actor/shooter, then he's still going to be the subject of civil liability as the producer. Huge civil liability.
Well, it happened yesterday, and the police have no responsibility to share all details right now.

The rest of your post is just a bunch of nonsense. His production company may be financially liable, but that is a big 'so what'. You have no idea whether actors are expected to clear their own guns on the set. Or to what degree actors are even allowed to have control over the firearms on set.

This is not a gun control issue. I read NY Times, WaPost, etc. There is nothing out there. This is just people looking for an excuse to pile on. It is ugly to revel in someone else's misery.
 
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wiscoaster

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... It is ugly to revel in someone else's misery.
Yes, that's true, and the anti-gunners take full opportunity if not, perhaps, to revel in someone else's misery, to rather to make full use of it to promote their own ends. No one here is revelling in anyone's misery, but if we're using it to promote our own ends then we're just finally learning to use the same tactics they've been using all along, but with one major difference: out ends to be exposing and promoting truth instead of lies. It's your posts that are mostly nonsense. And if I were to use the same approach that you normally use I would demand that you provide the data to support your assertion that my posts are nonsense.
 
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