They could always use Lincoln's method and any "sympathizers" within the stated boundaries be "deported."
Lincoln handled treason by burning the South.
They could always use Lincoln's method and any "sympathizers" within the stated boundaries be "deported."
And what would those boundaries be?They could always use Lincoln's method and any "sympathizers" within the stated boundaries be "deported."
No. the communists have been invading the real America - and have since WilsonYou mean that Americans have been moving around within America? Time to clutch your pearls!
No. the communists have been invading the real America - and have since Wilson
Territory won in armed conflict, as was nearly all habitable land on Earth at one time or another. There is no dibs, nor do populations, "indigenous" or otherwise have any inherent right to lands they lost through conflict or agreement. All human borders are artificial and only valid if there is a threat of violence at some level to enforce them.We could always give Texas back to Mexico. They have dibs, after all.
Territory won in armed conflict, as was nearly all habitable land on Earth at one time or another. There is no dibs, nor do populations, "indigenous" or otherwise have any inherent right to lands they lost through conflict or agreement. All human borders are artificial and only valid if there is a threat of violence at some level to enforce them.
Reality is very seldom moral, but strength is always real. Not all strength is militaristic, either. Force, and the will to use it, can take many nonviolent forms- coercive, incentivized, economic, pressure to conform to societal norms, etc.
You know, Roscoe, Im surprised at you. I would have expected you Lefty's to jump at the chance to codify your Utopian vision for society without the need to convert, reeducate, or eliminate all the deplorable dregs you so clearly despise. Let them wallow in their backwards ways, guided by the ideals of their false God, right? They're all just a bunch of racist, homophobic, mouthbreathing, toothless rednecks anyway. Who needs them?
Here's the keys to the castle- go forth and show us how its done. Hell, Kalifornia is already halfway there. Prove to the world how enlightened you are and they will cast off the shackles of their individualism and beg to join you eventually, yes?
No, thats not good enough for the Left. It is not enough for others to do as they say- all must BELIEVE as they do or be destroyed. Coexistence is not possible with the unconverted.
I'm sorry, Mr.Smith, but 2+2 does, in fact, equal 5. Let's begin again, shall we?
I don't disagree with you on most counts. There is a certain segment that has played the bully for years and now that the bully has gotten hit right back, they want to cry foul.It is funny how right-wingers are so quick to claim victim status on one hand, yet call out the liberals as snowflakes on the other. Right-wingers are happy enough to mock people who look or speak differently, but when they lose an election and their position is rejected by the electorate, suddenly they are the victims. Spare me. If you want to see a good example of the taunting, watch some Trump rallies. Trump fed on it, of course, encouraging the kind of in-group behavior we associate with classic fascism. (The contrast with the dignity of the McCain rallies was remarkable.)
Yes, my vision of society means people can marry whom they want and get the jobs they want, irrespective of how they look or their sex. I am old enough to remember when those things were not possible. I remember the Bowers v. Hardwick (1986) decision at the Supreme Court that held that consenting adults did not have a right to private conduct (not overturned until 2003). And I was a kid when Loving v. Virginia was decided, permitting interracial marriage. My mother fought through a lot of sexism to work as a professional in the 1970s. None of that struggle brings back fond memories.
You may not know enough of US history to be aware that the United States was founded as a secular democracy (the first in the world, actually). This is specifically enumerated in Article 6 and the 1st Amendment. Freedom of religion is a right, but freedom from established religion is the first line of the First Amendment. The founders were all to well aware of the danger of religion in politics - they had seen what the 30 Years War did to Europe.
So, if you use religion as a reason to tell people what to do, and whom to marry, that cuts no mustard with me. Religion was used as a justification for slavery (look up the Curse of Ham, and how it was used in the antebellum South), as well as telling Americans who they could or could not marry (black/white/gay/lesbian). I grew up in a religious household and went to religious school, but I decided early on that I was going to make my own decisions about what was right.
I don't live in California, nor do I want to. My blue state has a low crime rate, reasonable standards of living, and manages to do a decent job of protecting its citizens. I have the right to carry a gun (which sometimes I do). My kids walk home from school in safety and get along with their fellow students, who are decidedly of a different ethnic and racial background. I don't see some liberal hell hole where I live.
All this whining about how the right-wingers are suddenly feeling oppressed is pathetic. Read some history - it was always the right-wingers keeping other folks, typically of different races, oppressed. Just look up some Jim Crow history - voter suppression being a good example. The Southern Democrats even prevented all US servicemen abroad from voting during WW2 just to keep black servicemen from voting. Imagine preventing all ~5 million servicemen abroad from voting to keep a few hundred thousand black servicemen from exercising their franchise. That is the kind of heritage the right-wing can claim as their own.
So, if you want to talk ethics, or concrete policy, get to the heart of the matter. But don't whine because you feel suddenly marginalized after Trump lost.
I don't disagree with you on most counts. There is a certain segment that has played the bully for years and now that the bully has gotten hit right back, they want to cry foul.
I would like some clarification though. By "right-winger" are you referring to anyone right of the left, right of center, or the outer edges of the right?
The reason I ask is because quite a few of the farther left have admonished anyone who doesn't lean as left as them as " not progressive enough" and anyone right of center as "right wingers"
It's been mentioned that anyone who voted for Trump should be ostracized and everyone who worked with or for his administration should be blacklisted from public service.
This retaliation mindset is only about a half- step away from the behavior we've seen repeatedly in totalitarian regimes: Exile of dissidents and imprisonment of political opponents.
ETA... I'm in no way insinuating that the threat of retaliation against people who disagree is one sided. There are lines that should never be crossed. I would like to know where your lines are drawn though.
I don't disagree with you on most counts. There is a certain segment that has played the bully for years and now that the bully has gotten hit right back, they want to cry foul.
I would like some clarification though. By "right-winger" are you referring to anyone right of the left, right of center, or the outer edges of the right?
The reason I ask is because quite a few of the farther left have admonished anyone who doesn't lean as left as them as " not progressive enough" and anyone right of center as "right wingers"
It's been mentioned that anyone who voted for Trump should be ostracized and everyone who worked with or for his administration should be blacklisted from public service.
This retaliation mindset is only about a half- step away from the behavior we've seen repeatedly in totalitarian regimes: Exile of dissidents and imprisonment of political opponents.
ETA... I'm in no way insinuating that the threat of retaliation against people who disagree is one sided. There are lines that should never be crossed. I would like to know where your lines are drawn though.
Thank you for clarifying. In reality it seems like most of the marginalizing of late is from the far left and far right, squeezing inward toward the middle.But, yeah, the 'not progressive enough' crowd is how the Democrats lose Congress and the White House. They are mostly useful as a foil that the rest of us 'reasonable' folks can contrast with.
Thank you for clarifying. In reality it seems like most of the marginalizing of late is from the far left and far right, squeezing inward toward the middle.
Personally, I'm no fan of either extreme and have no desire for what they offer. Going backward is never the way, and it seems there's a large contingent that wishes that on all of us. However, "progressive" doesn't always add up to progress either.
Nervous perhaps, in the case of folks accustomed to wielding the power that suddenly find themselves without. Then there are some who've never held power that are more resentful than anything. They draw the ire of certain groups who denounce privilege, while wondering if privilege means 2 paychecks away from foreclosure instead of just one. They're just putting their head down, working hard, treating everyone with common decency and trying to provide for their family. They come home from work, fix dinner...try to veg out in front of the TV for a bit before heading to bed to get ready to repeat the cycle. Then every channel they tune to tells them if they're straight and white, they're privileged and therefore owe everyone who isn't some type of penance.All these things were bad, but part of the historical cycle of power. Nowadays, people of color suddenly have power, and it is making some folks nervous. So be it . . .
Nervous perhaps, in the case of folks accustomed to wielding the power that suddenly find themselves without. Then there are some who've never held power that are more resentful than anything. They draw the ire of certain groups who denounce privilege, while wondering if privilege means 2 paychecks away from foreclosure instead of just one. They're just putting their head down, working hard, treating everyone with common decency and trying to provide for their family. They come home from work, fix dinner...try to veg out in front of the TV for a bit before heading to bed to get ready to repeat the cycle. Then every channel they tune to tells them if they're straight and white, they're privileged and therefore owe everyone who isn't some type of penance.
So while I encourage everyone to get anything they can when they can, I also see the frustrations of people expected to pay for sins they've never commited.
I am for a dissolution of the US. I believe that the values of places like the Bay Area are simply not those of places like Virginia Beach. Or Chicago to Palm Bay. I don't have all the answers, but I envision that the US will fragment into multiple smaller nations. It will happen in our lifetimes. Whether it's Texas going independent, or a complete breakup of the union, or a massive civil war that causes temporary divisions, something is coming. That something is NOT light.
Believe me, sometimes there's times where I would move away. The only issue is that the US is one of the few places left that actually won't put you in jail, usually, for hurting people's feelings, or isn't a communist shithole.If you don't want to be an American, move away. It's a big world out there.
Believe me, sometimes there's times where I would move away. The only issue is that the US is one of the few places left that actually won't put you in jail, usually, for hurting people's feelings, or isn't a communist shithole.
It's not a bad country, but leftists are ruining it. I don't feel any solidarity with them. Do you with people on the right? Moreover, I'm not Anglo, so there's ethnic aspects to it.
What we need to do is stay calm, anticipate that third parties will register and post seditious material to justify shutting this site down, and REPORT THEM IMMEDIATELY.
Again, I know it feels like the Republic is lost. It may be. But for now, on this site, please for the love of God stay calm, speak rationally, and hope for .... better judgement from our leaders in the future.
The coming days and weeks (likely after the 20th) will be easier, but for now we need to be on the best possible behavior. Please. :)