Oh boy, I'm going to have to clear my schedule for this discussion
I believe that the environment and the climate are separate things , a polluted environment doesn't dictate the climate.
When I was a kid in the late 80s and early 90s we heard "global warming" constantly, that hasn't been the case and so the term shifted to "climate change". Yeah , temperatures rise & fall. They always have. So we need to examine what has happened and take a look at global temperatures throughout history .
Why was it so cold 8,000 years ago? Why was it so hot 3,500 years ago? There was no industry polluting the environment . the logical and realistic answer is an irregular orbit coupled with storms or flares on the sun. That changes climate.
The reason many refuse to have this conversation is because they don't have answers and are running on emotion. If a person claims that the climate has been affected by man then they should be able to give a rough estimate of what average global temperature would be if man never existed, no one knows that so any argument that says climate change has been caused by man is already a guess. I think that's indisputable unless someone can give the answer they assume it's man's fault.
Look at the sea ice expansion,
There is an attempt to explain how this fits with climate change by "experts " of unprovable science . let's take an honest look though, wouldn't the change be cumulative and ever decreasing ? I would have to see sharp climbs or falls that continuously trend in the same direction more and more and more each year . not the case at all.
Scientists used the European Space Agency's Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service to keep a track of the ozone hole.
www.firstpost.com
Here is a link discussing how the hole in the ozone layer that some have said for years will kill us has virtually disappeared. How is it possible, we have more humans and industry now than at any point in human existence . we were told he caused it but now that doesn't seem likely.
Ignore the people who push an agenda ,look at real facts. Humans can certainly pollute the environment, no one doubts that but I have never seen any evidence that it changes the climate. If humans are the cause of climate change why wouldn't the temperatures be higher or lower (whichever theory you subscribe to) every single year? The highest recorded temperature in my area was in 1934, the lowest was in 1985- doesn't look like we're building toward any trend of hot or cold. How about in your area? These are solid facts, indisputable and show no trend one way or another.
I in no way advocate polluting the environment but I'm also unwilling to live like a caveman to try to stop some climate emergency that we aren't likely causing. I would like for someone to show real evidence of a change and if that can be shown correlate that with distance from the sun and what conditions on the sun are at those times.
One other thing I'll mention is that the way I view the planet is self regulating . let's assume the "scientists " are correct, increased carbon causes increased temperature (I don't believe that's the case, but for the sake of conversation) by that same logic the growing season and areas of plant/tree growth would be increased. As we all know, plants remove the carbon from our air so longer and more dispersed growth would closely follow any extended or consistent temperature increase. If everything gets warmer, we have more foliage , seems logical to me.
I can go on for a long long time on this but I'll leave it here and follow up with other examples as the conversation continues.