Trump Can't Lose!

Alexx1401

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This election is bigger than Trump vs Biden. It's about capitalism and traditional values versus communism, as that's who's taken over the Democratic Party. My parents came here from Poland immediatley after WW2, and I have a lot of family that stayed there. They let us know what life was like under the thumb of the Soviet Union and it wasn't pretty. People who I've spoken to who truely understand what communism is are horrified that we have a percentage of the country that is either rooting for it or are uneducated as to what it'll mean and will actually vote for it. While I have concerns about the Republican Party, voting for communists is a non-starter.

Sadly the public educations system has been BADLY taken over for decades now. History is not taught any more and has not been for a long time. for a long time the left championed some flavor of Socialism but they were always careful to not use the word Socialism of Communism. They couch it is all kinds of nice terms like fairness. They would talk about the "rich" who should not have power as the people in charge on the left are rich beyond what most can comprehend. They teach people the road to utopia is paved with letting Government control everything. Of course the problem with this is EVERY time it's been tried its enforced at gun point since it has never worked. Then they proudly point at countries that use some form of top down Government that they claim are great. What they leave out is every one of these countries are full of people who for some reason want to come live in the United States. The place the left says is horrible and racists is where the whole world seems to want to move to. Wonder why?
 

WrongHanded

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Agreed. They don't call it communism and uneducated people may not realize that's their end game, but if you look at their stated objectives that's their goal. "Democratic Socialism" is a much easier sell.

So you think they want all property to be publicly owned? Everyone owns everything, nothing exclusively, but everything collectively? I'm not seeing it.
 

TomJ

Member
So you think they want all property to be publicly owned? Everyone owns everything, nothing exclusively, but everything collectively? I'm not seeing it.

They want to take over the entire economy, are using the BLM organization which was founded by 3 women who are self proclaimed Marxists to further their goals, few of which have to do with civil rights, have already proposed "wealth taxes", in which they "tax" money and property which has already been taxed, which is nothing more than a seizure of your property and will grow, are driving God out of the public eye, are stifling free speech and are now using violence to squash political opposition. It looks an aweful lot like the progression we've seen in other countries that made the shift to communism. This is just the beginning of the changes they have either implemented or have suggested. To be clear, I'm not saying that every member of the Democratic Party is a communist or supports that, only that the people who have hijacked the party are pushing that agenda.
 

WrongHanded

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To be clear, I'm not saying that every member of the Democratic Party is a communist or supports that, only that the people who have hijacked the party are pushing that agenda.

I think this is the key part.

There are radicals and extremists in many groups. But most just want a little of the change the extremists are pushing for. That majority doesn't have to support everything the radicals want.

I think, personally, an overhaul of healthcare and a more balanced approach to K-12 education funding is arw great ideas. I think many people would agree. But I think "free" college and reparations are terrible ideas. (I'll happily explain my reasonings, if anyone cares.)
 

TomJ

Member
I think this is the key part.

There are radicals and extremists in many groups. But most just want a little of the change the extremists are pushing for. That majority doesn't have to support everything the radicals want.

I think, personally, an overhaul of healthcare and a more balanced approach to K-12 education funding is arw great ideas. I think many people would agree. But I think "free" college and reparations are terrible ideas. (I'll happily explain my reasonings, if anyone cares.)

Atatched is a link to an interesting read.

 

WrongHanded

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TomJ

Member
Tom, I read about half of it and got bored. Sure sounds possible. But as is stated in the article itself, most people on the street aren't aware of any of that. They just feel that "Black Lives Matter". So I understand what you're saying, but that doesn't add up to the streets being full of communists.

Understood. To be clear, I don't believe the streets are full of communists. What I stated is that people pushing that agenda have hijacked the Democratic Party.
 

WrongHanded

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Understood. To be clear, I don't believe the streets are full of communists. What I stated is that people pushing that agenda have hijacked the Democratic Party.

Okay. So now we're definitely on the same page.

So, I'm not entirely sure I can agree with that. Firstly, I suppose we'd have to define the party for the purposes of this conversation. Are we talking about elected officials in the US House and Senate? Or does it go beyond that?

It seems pretty evident to me, having watched some of the Democratic Primary debates, the Primary Election results, and a few sources of media; that the party really didn't want Bernie Sanders. And instead were pushing Joe Biden pretty heavily. Infact there seems to have been a lot of pressure for the other "moderates" to drop out so as not to take votes from old Joe. Which no one but the Bernie Bunch had an issue with Warren remaining to take votes from him.

So just judging by the primary alone, it would seem the Democratic Party, doesn't want a "Democratic Socialist" running as their nominee. Not what I'd expect from a hijacking such as you describe. Are there some very "progressive" members in the party? Sure. And there are some pretty libertarian members in the Republican Party. Maybe even a few Authoritarian types.

Parties change over time anyway. I think we all know which side was which in the civil war. But they're not the same today as they were back then. The country is becoming increasingly divided. And as that happens, the parties diverge even further. If the country united, the parties would both follow the change.
 

TomJ

Member
Okay. So now we're definitely on the same page.

So, I'm not entirely sure I can agree with that. Firstly, I suppose we'd have to define the party for the purposes of this conversation. Are we talking about elected officials in the US House and Senate? Or does it go beyond that?

It seems pretty evident to me, having watched some of the Democratic Primary debates, the Primary Election results, and a few sources of media; that the party really didn't want Bernie Sanders. And instead were pushing Joe Biden pretty heavily. Infact there seems to have been a lot of pressure for the other "moderates" to drop out so as not to take votes from old Joe. Which no one but the Bernie Bunch had an issue with Warren remaining to take votes from him.

So just judging by the primary alone, it would seem the Democratic Party, doesn't want a "Democratic Socialist" running as their nominee. Not what I'd expect from a hijacking such as you describe. Are there some very "progressive" members in the party? Sure. And there are some pretty libertarian members in the Republican Party. Maybe even a few Authoritarian types.

Parties change over time anyway. I think we all know which side was which in the civil war. But they're not the same today as they were back then. The country is becoming increasingly divided. And as that happens, the parties diverge even further. If the country united, the parties would both follow the change.

The amount of support a self avowed socialist such as Sanders has is concerning. That being said, the Democratic Party is aware that while he has a great deal of support, he is not electable in a national election. They're portraying Biden as a moderate to make him electable, but he's going to do what party leadership tells him to do if elected. It's hardly the first time a politician or a party lied about who they are and what their plans are in order to get elected. Sadly, that can be said for both parties. President Trump, like him or not, at least told us what he was going to do and to the best of his abilities has done those things.
 

theotherwaldo

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I think that the removal of Chinese Communist Party money from American politics and news media would greatly reduce all of this nonsense.
The American west coast is so smothered in CCP influence that I'm surprised that China hasn't claimed them as a territory.
 

WrongHanded

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Odd...
The wonderful new Biden presidency is here, the Biden agenda is in force - and the riots continue... .
I'll be honest, I'm pretty out of the loop on any continuing riots. Are they happening anywhere in particular? If you have more info I'll see what I can find (not that it'll make any difference, but I'd like to know more).
 

theotherwaldo

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There have been several in the last few weeks, but I'll just point out one in one of my favorite cities.
There was a fair-sized "march" in Portland that led to smashed windows, graffiti, vandalism, assaults and all of the usual nonsense, although this one actually led to a few arrests.
This little riot was in protest of the fact that Biden had failed to disband ICE... .
 

WrongHanded

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There have been several in the last few weeks, but I'll just point out one in one of my favorite cities.
There was a fair-sized "march" in Portland that led to smashed windows, graffiti, vandalism, assaults and all of the usual nonsense, although this one actually led to a few arrests.
This little riot was in protest of the fact that Biden had failed to disband ICE... .
Ah Portland. What a great example of a really bad example. I'm not even going to bother trying to defend anything the morons there are doing. Though that city is certainly on my list of place to never go.
 

Howland937

Active member
Portland seems to be a bit of an outlier in that they protest everything. Right, left, sun, rain...
I think they even protested against the Weather Channel for forecasting the severe storms that hit Texas.
 
Really?

So, there are no protests going on? Those protests and riots aren't just about the BLM movement any more. They're also about frustration with the government and the current administration.

Whether or not you agree with those people, surely you can see that they exist and that they hate President Trump. Can't you? Can you not see the rising tide here?

You mean..."The Swamp" that needs draining?

Funny...where have we heard that?

Even funnier, their own answer to the one thing that was actually showing some drainage was to go right back to the way things were.

Let them "protest" (riot) all they wish, I say. Perhaps their chaos will provide some benefit.
 
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